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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aulirophile" data-source="post: 5545312" data-attributes="member: 86312">OK. Math > your anecdotal experience, sorry. I've played epic games without Expertise. The built-in system assumptions don't hold up without Expertise. And that was with MM1 monsters, I shudder to think what it'd be like now. But that is also anecdotal, so moving along...1.) We know the intentions and assumptions behind the scaling. This is not a debateable point, we know exactly what the intentions were and why. 2.) We know that those aren't met without Expertise. 3.) Expertise is a patch to make the system work as intended. None of that is debatable. Period. For 4e to work as intended you need Expertise. That is an objective fact and not subject to debate. The idea that you can compensate for the system failure by ignoring the feat and adjusting all your encounters is true, but if you're houseruling the system you're just proving the point: it doesn't work as intended without Expertise (assuming, of course, it was intended to work). I'm not casually dismissing anyone. I am dismissing people who have not done the math, know the intended point of the math, or know the history and therefore feel qualified to have an opinion. They aren't. I treat them like they aren't. If they happen to feel insulted that is their problem, dismissing the opinions of the uninformed is a privilege of the informed in any given area of knowledge.</blockquote>