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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aulirophile" data-source="post: 5545355" data-attributes="member: 86312">No, funny thing about facts, they aren't subject to debate. It is kind of weird you can't see that, but /shrug. I get you have an opinion... but your opinion isn't in way relevant when I'm dealing with objective information. It is subjective. Reasonable people can disagree about subjective things. Reasonable people cannot disagree about objective things if they are equally well informed. Reasonable people can therefore disagree about the best method of fixing the explicit mistake in the system math (according to the people who made the system, ffs). Reasonable people cannot disagree that the mistake exists. Because it does. So. Expertise is fix for the math. According to the people who made the game (question: Do you ever go over to Parker Brothers and argue with them about the rules for Monopoly and tell them how you think it ought to be? Just curious). Not an opinion. The disconnect for you is quite evident. You can't separate your opinion from the objective material. Also you really don't seem to understand how extensive the math in question is. We're only dealing with statistical averages so no, it can't be proved absolutely... but it can be proved beyond reasonable statistical significance. You're welcome to calculate the baseline DPR and DPE for every given class role (been done) compare it monster HP and defenses (been done) and from that work out exactly how many rounds each E+y takes on average, and what the standard deviations are (been done). Then you can take that, work backwards, and arrive at a certain hit% that PCs must have to achieve that number of rounds. And, again, it doesn't matter if you get less then a certain number of rounds, or a higher amount of DPR/DPE, it only matters that you don't get more rounds or less DPR/DPE(at least not more in a statistically significant way). Because that is the designed intention. You'll find the minimum accuracy needed is 55%. You will also find, as you progress into Paragon, that those "increased options" which mostly just do more damage, account for a bump in monster HP. I mean, the math isn't perfect, there are corner cases, and strange scenarios, and you'll of course be doing this multiple times to account for changes in Monster math to try and equalize the curve, but again, the system was only designed to maintain a specific statistical average. You will also notice it doesn't quite work out without Expertise. Have I mentioned that WotC actually hired professional statisticians early in development? There is a reason this works out so well in the standard cases. The fact that they screwed it up later is kind of irrelevant (though they obviously did, see the skill systems extensive revisions).</blockquote>

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