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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5558440" data-attributes="member: 61155">The problem remains that you keep treating these two sentences as identical, when they are completely disconnected. Yes, you fall behind by 4.  You also quadruple the number of encounter and daily powers, not to mention utility powers, paragon path and epic destiny features, over a dozen feats and numerous magic items.... with many of those abilities being, by far, more potent than similar abilities at level 1.  Now, you feel this doesn't compensate for the lost 4 points of bonuses. You claim that all those benefits only amount to the equivalent of a +1 bonus to hit, presumably, since Expertise would make up for the other 3 points. I don't agree, myself, but I can somewhat see how you could make such an assumption, presumably based on the idea that monster capabilities also scale, even if not to the same extent.  But the idea that that is the only interpretation is where I really have to disagree. I can accept that you feel the lost numbers are far more significant than the acquired powers, items, feats and features. But your claim is that you have mathematically proven that this is so... and you haven't. We haven't seen any such math.  For myself, I'll maintain that the various benefits PCs acquire over the levels more than make up for the lost points of raw math. Especially given those benefits can include those lost points and more. Feel free to disagree, sure, but you certainly haven't proven your interpretation any more mathematically correct than our own.</blockquote>

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