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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5559195" data-attributes="member: 67338">so I figured (after posting) that vecna is harder for the vampire to fight...higher NADS...+9 stat +6 magic +1 accurate imp+15 half level +31 to hit...since this is an implment attack i will be targeting a NADYou need a nat 20 to hit Will, an 18 for Fort, and a 16 for ref. That atleast seams hard... and like maybe fighting vecna is a bad idea... but...no lets forget the aura thing...it only make it easier for the vamp...lets see this with expertise... 17 will, 15 fort, and 13 ref...what about combat advantage you ask...with out expertise  18 will, a 16 fort, and 14 refwith expertise... 15 will,13 fort, 11 ref...I mean here is the god of secretes who hate vampires...and the op board says the vamp sucks... and with outh expertise and with out combat advantage, and no leader bonuses he is again 16-20 ... and that is not starting with a 20 stat eaither...so i can see that expertise make you more accurate, and more powerful... but I am not seeing them as needed... infact the hardest fight you can expect is still no un winable...</blockquote>