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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 1025422" data-attributes="member: 3051"><p>"+1 spellcaster level" is worth considerably more than one bonus Feat, IMO. Remember, classes with bonus Feats tend to have nice things like full BAB, big hit dice, and armor/weapon usage, while spellcasters don't.</p><p></p><p>First, you HAVE to make sure the player can only choose the Feat once. As written that's how it works (since any feat capable of being taken multiple times has to say so), but from your explanation that's not what you intended. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few ways this'd be easily abused if you don't do that. Like this:</p><p></p><p>I'm a Fighter 2/Wizard 10. The fighter levels give me 2 bonus Feats, and so I'll spend 2 of my general Feats buying your Feat.</p><p>Compared to a Wizard 12, I have the same number of other Feats, have the same spellcasting ability, but have 6-9 more HP and +1 BAB, plus full armor/weapon proficiency. The only "downsides" are that my familiar is weaker and I'll have to wait two extra levels to get my next bonus item creation/metamagic Feat.</p><p>Better yet, I'll be a Fighter 2/Psychic Warrior 2/Sorcerer 6/Eldritch Knight 10. I get five bonus Feats (two of which can be psionic ones, the other three are Fighter feats), so if I take your Feat with five of my general Feats, I gain all of those other abilities, but I'll still cast as a 20th level Sorcerer.</p><p>("But fighter feats aren't that useful for you!" you say. Okay, I'll take Inertial Armor, Speed of Thought, Improved Initiative, Dodge, and Mobility. Although, with all those EK levels my BAB will be +16, so I might as well get a decent weapon and take Feats that help that, especially archery ones)</p><p></p><p>It's just too much. You shouldn't be able to get a class' entire level benefits with one Feat. If you made this a one-shot Feat it might not be so bad, but I'd still love it for a Fighter 1/Sorcerer 6/Eldritch Knight, since I'd only sacrifice one spellcasting level instead of two. And that's the basic abuse: anyone who takes one level of Fighter and then goes straight caster would basically be getting all those other Fighter-related abilities for free. A Fighter 1/Cleric X would be the same as a Cleric X+1, except that he'd get all weapon proficiencies for free.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 1025422, member: 3051"] "+1 spellcaster level" is worth considerably more than one bonus Feat, IMO. Remember, classes with bonus Feats tend to have nice things like full BAB, big hit dice, and armor/weapon usage, while spellcasters don't. First, you HAVE to make sure the player can only choose the Feat once. As written that's how it works (since any feat capable of being taken multiple times has to say so), but from your explanation that's not what you intended. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few ways this'd be easily abused if you don't do that. Like this: I'm a Fighter 2/Wizard 10. The fighter levels give me 2 bonus Feats, and so I'll spend 2 of my general Feats buying your Feat. Compared to a Wizard 12, I have the same number of other Feats, have the same spellcasting ability, but have 6-9 more HP and +1 BAB, plus full armor/weapon proficiency. The only "downsides" are that my familiar is weaker and I'll have to wait two extra levels to get my next bonus item creation/metamagic Feat. Better yet, I'll be a Fighter 2/Psychic Warrior 2/Sorcerer 6/Eldritch Knight 10. I get five bonus Feats (two of which can be psionic ones, the other three are Fighter feats), so if I take your Feat with five of my general Feats, I gain all of those other abilities, but I'll still cast as a 20th level Sorcerer. ("But fighter feats aren't that useful for you!" you say. Okay, I'll take Inertial Armor, Speed of Thought, Improved Initiative, Dodge, and Mobility. Although, with all those EK levels my BAB will be +16, so I might as well get a decent weapon and take Feats that help that, especially archery ones) It's just too much. You shouldn't be able to get a class' entire level benefits with one Feat. If you made this a one-shot Feat it might not be so bad, but I'd still love it for a Fighter 1/Sorcerer 6/Eldritch Knight, since I'd only sacrifice one spellcasting level instead of two. And that's the basic abuse: anyone who takes one level of Fighter and then goes straight caster would basically be getting all those other Fighter-related abilities for free. A Fighter 1/Cleric X would be the same as a Cleric X+1, except that he'd get all weapon proficiencies for free. [/QUOTE]
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