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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5534891" data-attributes="member: 996">See, that's just an absurd assertion.&nbsp; The only downside of the Knight's arua is that it doesn't give that persistent -2 to a non-adjacent ally.&nbsp; That -2 difference is just not going to lead to PCs being one-shotted.&nbsp; 4e is not that crazy-swingy.I understand that you've been running a lot of Epic, and maybe, at that level, forced movement and the like is so pervasive that you really can F a Knight over to the degree you're implying.&nbsp; I don't know, I've never seen one in action beyond low level.&nbsp; But the objective mechanical difference is just not that extreme.&nbsp; Anything that can safely get a monster out of a Knight's aura can also safely get it away from the Fighter's mark punishement, to the difference is, at most, that -2.&nbsp; And, the aura applies much more easily than the mark (no attack required, it's automatic against any and every adjacent enemy!), which more than makes up for it.&nbsp; And, the aura-punishment is per /turn/ which much more than makes up for it.If you're basing this on experience, fine - but your experience is frankly hard to credit.&nbsp; I can only assume that there are some playstyle or perception issues contributing to it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5534891, member: 996"] See, that's just an absurd assertion. The only downside of the Knight's arua is that it doesn't give that persistent -2 to a non-adjacent ally. That -2 difference is just not going to lead to PCs being one-shotted. 4e is not that crazy-swingy. I understand that you've been running a lot of Epic, and maybe, at that level, forced movement and the like is so pervasive that you really can F a Knight over to the degree you're implying. I don't know, I've never seen one in action beyond low level. But the objective mechanical difference is just not that extreme. Anything that can safely get a monster out of a Knight's aura can also safely get it away from the Fighter's mark punishement, to the difference is, at most, that -2. And, the aura applies much more easily than the mark (no attack required, it's automatic against any and every adjacent enemy!), which more than makes up for it. And, the aura-punishment is per /turn/ which much more than makes up for it. If you're basing this on experience, fine - but your experience is frankly hard to credit. I can only assume that there are some playstyle or perception issues contributing to it. [/QUOTE]

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