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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5535264" data-attributes="member: 78116">Creatures rapidly figure these things out and are aware of how conditions applied work. At most a knight will get a single shift maybe, but other than that creatures just aren't dumb enough to bother and will just move away. At the same time, this is actually missing the point for the most part.Noting that this behaviour isn't unique to the Knight - I do this to all defenders in the game (except the weaponmaster). The battlemind in my Dark Sun game has melee training as one of the first feats he got. This is because I would simply walk away from him a good chunk of the time otherwise. Then again, I do anyway so it's not really a huge issue except that he also has Loadstone Lure. You'll notice I complained about the fact some defenders like battleminds cannot make OAs natively (without melee training anyway) and I think that is silly, this is basically why.You're actually thinking about this entirely in the wrong manner than I am. The point isn't that to avoid the half damage on a miss mark punishment, the point is that the OA doesn't make a huge difference to what I would be doing in the first place. This is attempting to move the creature into the best position possible to use a burst or blast (9/10 this is the reason). The only defender I refuse to provoke OAs from is the fighter. I also won't provoke if a character can suitably threaten with a condition (Cavaliers Daze, Knight with Defend the Line + World's Serpents Grasp who has hit the monster before in the combat). I actually think more about what the PC might be able to do when he does hit and very little care about the actual OA. In this way my DMing style is very unique. If I see an opportunity to use a limited encounter burst power on 3 wounded PCs and the monster is smart enough to do that: That's what he attempts to do. I will happily provoke an OA - unless given no other choice like the fighter - to actually do it.In this way, the Knights deficiencies are really clear. In many cases the annoyance of the mark penalty often prevents a large amount of damage (swordmage shielding for example) or outright causes it to miss. Being able to attack at a full attack bonus at the cost of some HP is actually an incredible deal for many monsters. The superior position and the chance of downing important PCs like the leader or controller is just too much to pass up.</blockquote>

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