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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5544959" data-attributes="member: 78116">I am in fact quite aware of this. It is why I point out that their weaknesses mean their advantages, like the ability to enforce a mark 1/turn do not automatically make them better than standard fighters. I just feel their weaknesses far outweigh their benefits when it actually matters. I knew, the point of the whole exercise was to show the players that as the argument started about mark enforcement. I believe it was even identical to Tony and my discussion just above: About how the Knight was viewed to be better due to 1/turn mark enforcement against the Weaponmasters 1/round. We soon saw how that worked out (it didn't).Done this already actually. Player changed the Knight into a Weaponmaster (it still feels so odd to call the original PHB fighter that) after the first adventure. Let's just say it worked a lot better - it's a shame my move to Australia curtailed that game <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> (as it was just getting interesting!).If they feel the need to pay attention to the Knight in the first place - that's the real trick. You've missed the problem: Can I use my monsters with simple forced movement powers/effects correctly? If I can, then the Knight is in serious trouble. I know there are various ways of "forcing" a monster to deal with the aura (such as using a wall), but they have their own particular unique flaws as well (most notably exposing the character you are trying to defend to blast attacks  - like the Inix tail swipe, which can normally be hard with a standard defender to incorporate into the area without moving them around first).</blockquote>

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