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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8042913" data-attributes="member: 72555">My issue with the Ki defences is:A) on a non-monk at level 4, it is a 2-short-rest usable +3 AC against any attack ability that never scales.  Defensive Duelist at this point is an unlimited usage, +3 AC, but only melee attacks.  And it will continue to scale.Most people consider defensive duelist at 4 to be a mediocre feat, not worth taking.  It starts to shine at higher modifiers.  So this feat compares not that well against an already mediocre feat.B) On a monk at level 4, the monk has deflect missiles already.  With +3 dex that is 1d10+7 damage reduced automatically for 0 Ki cost: this alternative is very, very niche.  Against melee attacks, holding a finesse weapon and using defensive duelist is a ki-free +3 AC.So against defensive duelist, this gives you 2 Ki, charges you 1 Ki when you use it to block a melee attack, and lets you use +3 AC for a Ki against spells.At 4 nobody would recommend defensive duelist for a monk.   And this isn't substantially better.  The main "plus" is ... just bank the 2 Ki.  But even then, the other feat is also +2 Ki, so if you want Ki you'll probably grab it first....If your goal is feats that tempt people away from ASIs on a monk, they need to be PAM/XBE scale at level 1-4, and GWM/SS at level 5-10 range.I'm not saying "bonus action extra attack".  But compare a 18 strength greatsword vs a 16 strength PAM fighter at level 4:+7 for 11 damage+6 for 19 damage (72% more)or level 5:+7 for 22 damage+6 for 27.5 damage (25% more)that is one dimension, but my point is the scale issue.Zen DefenseYou have learned to harness and focus your Ki energy to the point that can you can defend against attacks with lightning speed. You gain the following benefits:• You gain 2 Ki points. If you already have Ki points, your total Ki points increases by 2. Spent Ki points are regained after a short or long rest.• When a creature hits you with an attack, you can use your reaction to spend 1 Ki point, allowing you to add a +3 bonus to your AC for that attack, possibly causing it to miss.  If the attack still hits, you have resistance to the damage.there, now it can nullify a near miss, or be used to soak a serious blow.  And it is "never wasted", which is nice.I'm still not sure if it is good enough to tempt someone away from +2 to main stat.We could also let it apply to dex saving throws?</blockquote>

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