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<blockquote data-quote="Tequila Sunrise" data-source="post: 5897047" data-attributes="member: 40398"><p>Agreed. As an aside, the problems I see with jefgorbach's wish for a freeform magic system all relate to basing magic on a skill. (Skills are easily power gamed.) Theoretically, the freeform aspect of it could be more balanced than vancian, if attached to say caster level rather than a skill.</p><p></p><p>Not coincidentally, that's how I fix truenamers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is how it is, <em>with </em>Weapon Finesse. Str is <em>the </em>damage stat, period.</p><p></p><p>And like I've mentioned before, if you think giving Weapon Finesse away makes Dex too good, you must think that WF is an overpowered feat. After all, it's same difference aside from the lost feat slot.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We're having a fundamental disconnect here. You're not making a judgment about how the rules <em>should </em>be. You see people saying "these feats should be free!" and you see power creep. And sometimes that's the case. (I certainly don't agree with every suggestion that's been made in this thread.)</p><p></p><p>But I'm making judgments about how things <em>should </em>be. From my PoV, handing out certain feats isn't power creep for the same reason that the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't 'freedom creep.' In other words, I'm just giving stuff that should have been there in the first place. For example, the right to use Dex for AB rather than Str -- because I believe that finesse-y types are <em>expected </em>by the game to have decent ABs. (This is a game about killing things, after all.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. However, I didn't start this thread as a player. I'm often a DM, and there are certain things I think my players should have just for sitting down at the table. Heighten may be a <em>slight </em>power boost to a group of classes who don't need it, but I think it makes sense. And heck, maybe with everyone having it free I'll actually see it used some day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tequila Sunrise, post: 5897047, member: 40398"] Agreed. As an aside, the problems I see with jefgorbach's wish for a freeform magic system all relate to basing magic on a skill. (Skills are easily power gamed.) Theoretically, the freeform aspect of it could be more balanced than vancian, if attached to say caster level rather than a skill. Not coincidentally, that's how I fix truenamers. ;) This is how it is, [I]with [/I]Weapon Finesse. Str is [I]the [/I]damage stat, period. And like I've mentioned before, if you think giving Weapon Finesse away makes Dex too good, you must think that WF is an overpowered feat. After all, it's same difference aside from the lost feat slot. We're having a fundamental disconnect here. You're not making a judgment about how the rules [I]should [/I]be. You see people saying "these feats should be free!" and you see power creep. And sometimes that's the case. (I certainly don't agree with every suggestion that's been made in this thread.) But I'm making judgments about how things [I]should [/I]be. From my PoV, handing out certain feats isn't power creep for the same reason that the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't 'freedom creep.' In other words, I'm just giving stuff that should have been there in the first place. For example, the right to use Dex for AB rather than Str -- because I believe that finesse-y types are [I]expected [/I]by the game to have decent ABs. (This is a game about killing things, after all.) Agreed. However, I didn't start this thread as a player. I'm often a DM, and there are certain things I think my players should have just for sitting down at the table. Heighten may be a [I]slight [/I]power boost to a group of classes who don't need it, but I think it makes sense. And heck, maybe with everyone having it free I'll actually see it used some day. [/QUOTE]
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