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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grom Stonekin" data-source="post: 4331002" data-attributes="member: 60080"><p>After reading the 4th Ed PHB it occurs to me that its not really a complete version of D&D the way 3rd Ed was.  3rd Ed had more classes, tons of spells and just seemed like a more complete rule set. By comparison, the 4th ed. PHB deliberately does not include classic classes, races and spells that have been part of the D&D experience for over 30 years (Bards, Druids, Half-orcs, Charm Person come to mind).  If you want to use this classic D&D material in your game, you will have to wait (and shell out $35 more) for the PHB II. The Half-orc Barbarian became an iconic race/class combo with 3rd ed. but you can't play it with 4th ed. as released.  Likewise, 4th ed classes like the Warlock and particularly the Wizards barely have enough "powers" to make them interesting.  Warlocks get only three pacts even though WotC clearly has many more sitting on a shelf waiting for the splat books (Undead pact, elemental pact, dragonic pact, etc, etc.).  The poor Wizard, whose class feature is the spellbook, is left with precious little to fill it with.  I feel short-changed.  WotC knows players are eager to play their favorites from past editions and they are holding out on some of the games best stuff...on purpose.  To get a complete D&D game that has the best of the prior versions, players will have to buy the PHB II (and maybe PHB III) and lots of splat books.  When the PHB II hits the stores, l think players will be killing off their own characters left and right or begging their DM to reboot the campaign just so they can play the races and classes they actually wanted to play all along but could not.  WotC will definitely sell more books with this savvy marketing strategy but more $ for WotC does not ensure that D&D is now or will be a better, more enduring game.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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