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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5190753" data-attributes="member: 52073"><p>Herzog, I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing that your problem player is disregarding the primary rule of psionics: Thou Shalt Not Spend More Power Points On One Manifestation Than Thy Manifester Level. The most common reason people think psionics are broken is along the lines of "My 3rd level psion is spending 20 PP on his <em>mind thrust</em> and dealing 20d10 to everyone he hits!" when said 3rd-level psion cannot spend more than 3 PP on a power without being a wilder or having Overchannel.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Forms of seeing through invisibility include, but are not limited to: blindsight, touchsight, scent, tremorsense, lifesense, mindsight, and touchsight. There are many ways to gain these extra senses--several summonable monsters have scent, Mindsight is a feat, Hearing the Air is a ToB stance to let you detect invisible things, etc. Touchsight is unique to psionics, but not unique in its utility.</p><p></p><p>On the DM's side of things, point out the Darkstalker feat to him. It lets you hide from special senses as normal, and though it doesn't explicity protect against touchsight or several other senses, he could easily rule it to do so.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As temporary HP don't stack, at any one time he could have 5*ML temp HP up, and he has to spend a standard action to restore them if he takes too much damage; with the number of PP you're running through if you want to do this, it's not nearly as effective as one would think if you're playing by the rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Astral constructs of your level aren't as good as a PC (and don't have the utility of summons, to boot), so if he's outfighting a warforged fighter, he's probably spending too many PP.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Metacreativity powers tend to be lower-level than similar spells (for instance, <em>minor creation</em> is a 1st-level shaper power), but even a sorcerer gets <em>fabricate</em> before an artificer, so it's not really a mark against psionics but against the artificer in this case.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like I said, it might also be simply misreading the rules. Granted, I assume you're not a combat-focused artificer, so between you and the fighter, it's not surprising that a full caster is doing better, but I'd check on the rules issue just in case.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>1) The only thing psionics really does better than Vancian magic is blasting; pretty much everything else is only a splatbook away.</p><p></p><p>2) You're giving the designers too much credit. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldritch_Lord, post: 5190753, member: 52073"] Herzog, I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing that your problem player is disregarding the primary rule of psionics: Thou Shalt Not Spend More Power Points On One Manifestation Than Thy Manifester Level. The most common reason people think psionics are broken is along the lines of "My 3rd level psion is spending 20 PP on his [I]mind thrust[/I] and dealing 20d10 to everyone he hits!" when said 3rd-level psion cannot spend more than 3 PP on a power without being a wilder or having Overchannel. Forms of seeing through invisibility include, but are not limited to: blindsight, touchsight, scent, tremorsense, lifesense, mindsight, and touchsight. There are many ways to gain these extra senses--several summonable monsters have scent, Mindsight is a feat, Hearing the Air is a ToB stance to let you detect invisible things, etc. Touchsight is unique to psionics, but not unique in its utility. On the DM's side of things, point out the Darkstalker feat to him. It lets you hide from special senses as normal, and though it doesn't explicity protect against touchsight or several other senses, he could easily rule it to do so. As temporary HP don't stack, at any one time he could have 5*ML temp HP up, and he has to spend a standard action to restore them if he takes too much damage; with the number of PP you're running through if you want to do this, it's not nearly as effective as one would think if you're playing by the rules. Astral constructs of your level aren't as good as a PC (and don't have the utility of summons, to boot), so if he's outfighting a warforged fighter, he's probably spending too many PP. Metacreativity powers tend to be lower-level than similar spells (for instance, [I]minor creation[/I] is a 1st-level shaper power), but even a sorcerer gets [I]fabricate[/I] before an artificer, so it's not really a mark against psionics but against the artificer in this case. Like I said, it might also be simply misreading the rules. Granted, I assume you're not a combat-focused artificer, so between you and the fighter, it's not surprising that a full caster is doing better, but I'd check on the rules issue just in case. 1) The only thing psionics really does better than Vancian magic is blasting; pretty much everything else is only a splatbook away. 2) You're giving the designers too much credit. ;) [/QUOTE]
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