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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5191460" data-attributes="member: 52073">So you're all level 10, then?  Okay.  Assuming this guy uses a max-augmented vigor and then overchannels a power, that's 22 PP down; he can do that 4 times in a day, possibly 5 if he has a 20+ key ability score, so he ends the day with 50-3d8 temp HP and has manifested 4-5 powers.  Woohoo.  If he uses the minimum manifestation of vigor to cover overchannel, that's 17 PP each, so he can do that 5-7 times.1) To do the above, he's spent the equivalent of 4 5th-level and 4 6th-level spells in the former case or 5 3rds and 5 6ths in the second case, and he's done for the day.  A sorcerer at 10th level has 3 5ths, 5 4ths, and 6 of each lower level, plus bonus spells; if Vancian casters could augment their spells, the sorcerer could spend all 3 5ths, all 5 4ths, and 5 2nds to match the psion (though he'd actually come out ahead, as Vancian spells auto-scale) and still have all of his 3rds, all of his 1sts, and a 2nd left.  If you just look at what the psion can do, yes, it looks great.  If you look at how often he can do it, you can see that he doesn't have nearly the stamina of other casters.2) False life is a 2nd-level spell; in the above examples, he's using it as a 5th level spell to get 50 THP or a 3rd to get 25 THP.  If it's manifested as the equivalent of a 2nd-level spell (3-4 PP) he gets 15-20 THP, so it's roughly equivalent.Arcane casters never gain the ability to raise the dead, so does that make them inferior to divine casters?  No, it just means they're good at different things.  One of the things psionicists are very good at is getting more actions and mucking around with time, so they get temporal acceleration, schism, time hop, and so forth.If you really want to compare the two, take a look at their relative advantages.  The psion is superior at blasting, transportation, and the action economy, and that's about it; also, in general the psion focuses on the specific and short-range while the wizard focuses on the general and long-range.  The psion doesn't get easy access to things like protection from [alignment], blink, protection from arrows, and the rest of the usual buff suite, and in some cases can't access them at all.  He doesn't get any good control spells like Evard's black tentacles or debuffs like feeblemind.  He doesn't have many ways to get through PR like the wizard has assay resistance; he doesn't have many divinations, if any at all; his only summon is astral construct, whereas the wizard can eventually summon or call any outsider or elemental he desires and take advantage of all their SLAs.In summary: Yes, psions have things they do very well relative to other casters, so if they're focusing on what they do well, of course they're going to look good, just like a Batman or God wizard is going to own entire combats by himself and CoDzilla will buff up and outshine two or three fighters.</blockquote>

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