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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7310828" data-attributes="member: 82504">There is a level 2 potion that lets you grow the ear points and height and build of an elf&nbsp; its impressively close to boom you are an elf in all appearance including someone pulling on your ears and so on. Boom you look convincingly dead at level 2 is entirely reasonable if all you want is to look dead Arguably I described that without a practice version of feigning death right here.A level 2 item which all it did was a self only good bluff based on a different skill than bluff could still be ok.&nbsp; (I suppose you could still induce this in others either with a heal check or a diplomacy)Though once you see it as actually reducing the need to breath and slowing and stopping heart beat I see it as very much moving in to the suppress needs and afflictions arena and level 4.Then if we wanted Stasis Trance or Death Trance as a level 4 thing which you would also put all conditions on hold could be separated out and have Feign Death as a prerequisite is that kind of what you are thinking? Or make the level 4 effect a note on the level 2 version?l estimate a level 10 from 4e higher in 4e - paragon and named level 8 or 9 serving the same marker points seem a definite correlation to me. &nbsp; &nbsp;Looks like we agree more than you realize <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; ie yes divide by two with an offset gets very close (that is linear) level 30 from 4e becomes level 17 or 18 (approx maxed out)level 21 from 4e becomes level 14&nbsp; (gonzo epic begins)level 11 from 4e becomes level 9 (named level)level 1 from 4e becomes level 4 (level of feels competent)AND level 1 from 1e becomes a minions downed in one hit which are not really recommend for players in 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7310828, member: 82504"] There is a level 2 potion that lets you grow the ear points and height and build of an elf its impressively close to boom you are an elf in all appearance including someone pulling on your ears and so on. Boom you look convincingly dead at level 2 is entirely reasonable if all you want is to look dead Arguably I described that without a practice version of feigning death right here. A level 2 item which all it did was a self only good bluff based on a different skill than bluff could still be ok. (I suppose you could still induce this in others either with a heal check or a diplomacy) Though once you see it as actually reducing the need to breath and slowing and stopping heart beat I see it as very much moving in to the suppress needs and afflictions arena and level 4. Then if we wanted [B]Stasis Trance or Death Trance[/B] as a level 4 thing which you would also put all conditions on hold could be separated out and have Feign Death as a prerequisite is that kind of what you are thinking? Or make the level 4 effect a note on the level 2 version? l estimate a level 10 from 4e higher in 4e - paragon and named level 8 or 9 serving the same marker points seem a definite correlation to me. Looks like we agree more than you realize ;) ie yes divide by two with an offset gets very close (that is linear) level 30 from 4e becomes level 17 or 18 (approx maxed out) level 21 from 4e becomes level 14 (gonzo epic begins) level 11 from 4e becomes level 9 (named level) level 1 from 4e becomes level 4 (level of feels competent) AND level 1 from 1e becomes a minions downed in one hit which are not really recommend for players in 4e. [/QUOTE]

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