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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 2187020" data-attributes="member: 30001">There are issues of integrity even when it comes to hobbies.&nbsp; I understand that you think this way of describing it is strong language.&nbsp; But the player must have known that his DM was keeping track of the beholder stats, so the ONLY reason to follow along was to challenge the DM.&nbsp; I think the player definitely has issues of trust with the DM, and I think it's fair to say what he did was rude - keeping in mind that rudeness is in the eye of the culture.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;It's a little like if I ask you if I left my Dungeon Master's Guide over at your house, and you say no, and then I break in and look around just to be sure.&nbsp; Sure, you could make a mistake and actually have my DMG at your house without realizing it, but I don't think you'd like to be on that side of the argument.&nbsp; Now sure, the analogy depends on the keeping track of monster's stats as being equivalent to the privacy of someone's home; but I don't think that's so far of a stretch.&nbsp; DMs put alot of themselves into the game, and I think players need to be considerate.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's not just math, and calling it such really bypasses the basic issue.&nbsp; Sure, no game is worth getting mad about.&nbsp; But check out a little league game some time.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or just watch people drive on the road.&nbsp; Petty issues affect self-esteem, it's human nature and IMO none of us are immune to it.&nbsp; And especially in a situation where a DM sets himself up to be a sort of a leader of a group and whether or not they have fun is his responsibility is something that's bound to affect a person.&nbsp; I think it's understandable that he got upset, and I think handled it fine by ending the session - unless I missed something I don't think he was disruptive.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 2187020, member: 30001"] There are issues of integrity even when it comes to hobbies. I understand that you think this way of describing it is strong language. But the player must have known that his DM was keeping track of the beholder stats, so the ONLY reason to follow along was to challenge the DM. I think the player definitely has issues of trust with the DM, and I think it's fair to say what he did was rude - keeping in mind that rudeness is in the eye of the culture. It's a little like if I ask you if I left my Dungeon Master's Guide over at your house, and you say no, and then I break in and look around just to be sure. Sure, you could make a mistake and actually have my DMG at your house without realizing it, but I don't think you'd like to be on that side of the argument. Now sure, the analogy depends on the keeping track of monster's stats as being equivalent to the privacy of someone's home; but I don't think that's so far of a stretch. DMs put alot of themselves into the game, and I think players need to be considerate. It's not just math, and calling it such really bypasses the basic issue. Sure, no game is worth getting mad about. But check out a little league game some time. Or just watch people drive on the road. Petty issues affect self-esteem, it's human nature and IMO none of us are immune to it. And especially in a situation where a DM sets himself up to be a sort of a leader of a group and whether or not they have fun is his responsibility is something that's bound to affect a person. I think it's understandable that he got upset, and I think handled it fine by ending the session - unless I missed something I don't think he was disruptive. [/QUOTE]

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