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<blockquote data-quote="Dlsharrock" data-source="post: 4268207" data-attributes="member: 55833"><p>Firstly, I would urge you to read my previous messages in full at least once more. I've been pretty clear and edited out my usual waffle. There really is no ambiguity. Secondly, throughout this message, assume a calm and conversive tone. </p><p></p><p>For the rest, I can only try to put it more simply.</p><p></p><p>I'm unhappy with the OOC comment made in game. That's issue number one. </p><p></p><p>Your flame responses are issue number two, and *that's* prompting me to consider asking you to leave, *not* issue number one. </p><p></p><p>The rest entails repeating myself, but if it helps to clarify things, I'll do so.</p><p></p><p>This is a question. Questions return answers and therefore information. It could feasibly be interpreted as you trying to establish what Adam knows about Philip. I would have been willing to consider that possibility. But then there's this:</p><p></p><p>This is a comment. Comments don't return answers, and so they are not provided in order to learn information, only to give information. Furthermore, in context (ie, the question and comment combined with the nature of the situation being discussed), this isn't just a comment, it's a criticism, and coming on the heels of the question, makes the question part of the criticism, not seperate from it. </p><p></p><p>Then there was this earlier comment:</p><p></p><p>This supports my assumption that you think it's appropriate to give another player OOC suggestions or criticism about how they should roleplay their character. </p><p></p><p>Just to be certain that I wasn't misinterpreting things, I asked my tabletop group, some friends from a Pbem I'm running, and my girlfriend to take a look. That's eleven people. All agree there's no other way to interpret your comments but as an inappropriate criticism of another player's PC and that the tone is confrontational.</p><p></p><p>More worrying to me, several have suggested that your behaviour thus far in the game is tantamount to trolling. I don't know if I agree with that, but your flaming and inappropriate OOC comments, forcing me to uphold pretty basic level etiquette and roleplay issues, have certainly held back the game by several days.</p><p></p><p>You ask what I want. I *request* two things:</p><p></p><p>For you to relax and enjoy the game, without worrying about other player's portrayals of their characters.</p><p></p><p>If another PC does something that infringes on what you perceive to be your game, or upsets you, discern between OOC and IC appropriately please. Players are actors, not represented by the characters they play and if a PC's behaviour seems bewildering, it may be because the player's character is acting according to information you don't have, or that your PC doesn't have. Address the character with your character. Don't address the player about the character's actions. If you want to understand what Adam would know about another PC, use measured questions and, I would advise further, use "with regard to what Adam knows about ***" or "Would Adam know that *** often reacts like this". Common sense and common courtesy should be the rule of thumb. Read what you write before you submit. </p><p></p><p>Secondly I ask you to desist in responding with aggression and hostility to OOC comments, even if you interpret them as personal attacks (which they are not). If something upsets you, do what I do: read it, walk away and simmer. Let yourself calm down. Go back later. Read it again and formulate a measured answer without resorting to bad language or accusations of personal attacks (focus on the issue, not your pride, as someone smarter than I once wrote). Return and post the answer, reading through several times to ensure you haven't written anything inflammatory. In all cases assume the other person is simply attempting to put across a valid point of view rather than making a pointless personal attack on you.</p><p></p><p>I really cannot emphasise enough that if you respond one more time to an OOC comment with a flame response, I'll ask you to leave the game. If there's a problem between players or between player and keeper it *must* be resolved with calm, measured and logical debate. </p><p></p><p>That's basically all I ask.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dlsharrock, post: 4268207, member: 55833"] Firstly, I would urge you to read my previous messages in full at least once more. I've been pretty clear and edited out my usual waffle. There really is no ambiguity. Secondly, throughout this message, assume a calm and conversive tone. For the rest, I can only try to put it more simply. I'm unhappy with the OOC comment made in game. That's issue number one. Your flame responses are issue number two, and *that's* prompting me to consider asking you to leave, *not* issue number one. The rest entails repeating myself, but if it helps to clarify things, I'll do so. This is a question. Questions return answers and therefore information. It could feasibly be interpreted as you trying to establish what Adam knows about Philip. I would have been willing to consider that possibility. But then there's this: This is a comment. Comments don't return answers, and so they are not provided in order to learn information, only to give information. Furthermore, in context (ie, the question and comment combined with the nature of the situation being discussed), this isn't just a comment, it's a criticism, and coming on the heels of the question, makes the question part of the criticism, not seperate from it. Then there was this earlier comment: This supports my assumption that you think it's appropriate to give another player OOC suggestions or criticism about how they should roleplay their character. Just to be certain that I wasn't misinterpreting things, I asked my tabletop group, some friends from a Pbem I'm running, and my girlfriend to take a look. That's eleven people. All agree there's no other way to interpret your comments but as an inappropriate criticism of another player's PC and that the tone is confrontational. More worrying to me, several have suggested that your behaviour thus far in the game is tantamount to trolling. I don't know if I agree with that, but your flaming and inappropriate OOC comments, forcing me to uphold pretty basic level etiquette and roleplay issues, have certainly held back the game by several days. You ask what I want. I *request* two things: For you to relax and enjoy the game, without worrying about other player's portrayals of their characters. If another PC does something that infringes on what you perceive to be your game, or upsets you, discern between OOC and IC appropriately please. Players are actors, not represented by the characters they play and if a PC's behaviour seems bewildering, it may be because the player's character is acting according to information you don't have, or that your PC doesn't have. Address the character with your character. Don't address the player about the character's actions. If you want to understand what Adam would know about another PC, use measured questions and, I would advise further, use "with regard to what Adam knows about ***" or "Would Adam know that *** often reacts like this". Common sense and common courtesy should be the rule of thumb. Read what you write before you submit. Secondly I ask you to desist in responding with aggression and hostility to OOC comments, even if you interpret them as personal attacks (which they are not). If something upsets you, do what I do: read it, walk away and simmer. Let yourself calm down. Go back later. Read it again and formulate a measured answer without resorting to bad language or accusations of personal attacks (focus on the issue, not your pride, as someone smarter than I once wrote). Return and post the answer, reading through several times to ensure you haven't written anything inflammatory. In all cases assume the other person is simply attempting to put across a valid point of view rather than making a pointless personal attack on you. I really cannot emphasise enough that if you respond one more time to an OOC comment with a flame response, I'll ask you to leave the game. If there's a problem between players or between player and keeper it *must* be resolved with calm, measured and logical debate. That's basically all I ask. [/QUOTE]
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