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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7714781" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>There is no worse and more damning excuse for something than to say "it is thought-provoking". What isn't? There is nothing special about being thought provoking. At least in the circles I run in thinking is the normal order of business. Everyone I know thinks all the time about everything that they encounter often to the point of being really obsessive about the details. Setting out to be "thought-provoking" is setting the bar on the floor. You can't really have a lower standard than that and there is hardly a surer standard that something isn't providing any sort of useful discussion than someone says of it that it is "thought provoking". That's sort of like the old Southern lady say, "That's... interesting." As a general rule, whenever anyone says, "It was meant to be thought provoking", you can be fairly sure they didn't put enough thought into it before they did it.</p><p></p><p>What most people really mean when they say "thought-provoking" is just "provoking". And provoking is close to being the opposite of being "thought-provoking" and more importantly close to being the opposite of constructive or educational or something else useful that you can set out to be. But hey, if you don't like what I'm saying, perhaps I can just use the excuse I'm being "thought-provoking"? Do you see how that works now?</p><p></p><p>You know what is really not "thought-provoking" either in the speaker or the hearer? Accusing someone who disagrees of you of being afraid. Yes, because clearly as a married man with two kids, the subject and actual practice of sex is just something that has never been a part of my personal life and the only reason I could possibly have for not wanting to discuss it in a gaming forum or otherwise publically is that it terrifies me? Seriously, is that your thinking? Is that the extent of your thoughts "provoked" by this, or where you just "provoked" by disagreement into a reflexive statement? Accusing someone of being afraid is a wonderful general purpose ad hominem attack, but that's about all it's good for. </p><p></p><p>You see the thing you have clearly not considered is that this is me, the me that finds this document repulsive and hateful to women and highly unhelpful, having put an iota of thought into this matter. And while I have more thoughts on the subject of what you claim I'm not thinking about when in fact I just disagree, even discussing that particular subject in more detail (even if I was inclined to which I'm not) breaks two Enworld rules - no politics and keep everything safe for Eric's grandmother.</p><p></p><p>At this point, I'm beginning to worry that I'm spending more time thinking about this and discussing this than the creators did creating their games or the publisher did in assembling it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7714781, member: 4937"] There is no worse and more damning excuse for something than to say "it is thought-provoking". What isn't? There is nothing special about being thought provoking. At least in the circles I run in thinking is the normal order of business. Everyone I know thinks all the time about everything that they encounter often to the point of being really obsessive about the details. Setting out to be "thought-provoking" is setting the bar on the floor. You can't really have a lower standard than that and there is hardly a surer standard that something isn't providing any sort of useful discussion than someone says of it that it is "thought provoking". That's sort of like the old Southern lady say, "That's... interesting." As a general rule, whenever anyone says, "It was meant to be thought provoking", you can be fairly sure they didn't put enough thought into it before they did it. What most people really mean when they say "thought-provoking" is just "provoking". And provoking is close to being the opposite of being "thought-provoking" and more importantly close to being the opposite of constructive or educational or something else useful that you can set out to be. But hey, if you don't like what I'm saying, perhaps I can just use the excuse I'm being "thought-provoking"? Do you see how that works now? You know what is really not "thought-provoking" either in the speaker or the hearer? Accusing someone who disagrees of you of being afraid. Yes, because clearly as a married man with two kids, the subject and actual practice of sex is just something that has never been a part of my personal life and the only reason I could possibly have for not wanting to discuss it in a gaming forum or otherwise publically is that it terrifies me? Seriously, is that your thinking? Is that the extent of your thoughts "provoked" by this, or where you just "provoked" by disagreement into a reflexive statement? Accusing someone of being afraid is a wonderful general purpose ad hominem attack, but that's about all it's good for. You see the thing you have clearly not considered is that this is me, the me that finds this document repulsive and hateful to women and highly unhelpful, having put an iota of thought into this matter. And while I have more thoughts on the subject of what you claim I'm not thinking about when in fact I just disagree, even discussing that particular subject in more detail (even if I was inclined to which I'm not) breaks two Enworld rules - no politics and keep everything safe for Eric's grandmother. At this point, I'm beginning to worry that I'm spending more time thinking about this and discussing this than the creators did creating their games or the publisher did in assembling it. [/QUOTE]
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