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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5524460" data-attributes="member: 19675">Again, at best, that gets us to a &quot;do as I say, not as I do&quot;' situation like with the Founding Fathers.He may have espoused feminist ideals, but he may not have fully adopted them in his heart.&nbsp; And that's something we can't know for sure.Again, as I said before, I agree that it is possible for feminists to enjoy BDSM.&nbsp; However, it's acceptance is far from universal in that movement.&nbsp; Do a quick search for &quot;feminists&quot;, &quot;bondage&quot;, and &quot;critique,&quot; and you'll find treatises both in strongly in favor of it and strongly decrying it (and other stuff besides).If the feminists themselves have a mixed view of BDSM, a character based in the form is going to get a mixed reception as well.Lincoln did a lot for my people, but make no mistake, he didn't exactly do what he did out of love for blacks.&nbsp; His position on slavery was a lot more nuanced than that.&nbsp; Even so, we accept the good he did for us, but don't forget the rest of the picture.Marston may be the same.&nbsp; Just because he created a feminist icon doesn't mean he intended her to be such from the moment if creation.&nbsp; We don't know the fullness of his intentions, and to assert that WW was created to be a paragon of feminism is simplistic in the light of what we do know.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5524460, member: 19675"] Again, [I]at best[/I], that gets us to a "do as I say, not as I do"' situation like with the Founding Fathers. He may have espoused feminist ideals, but he may not have fully adopted them in his heart. And that's something we can't know for sure. Again, as I said before, I agree that it is possible for feminists to enjoy BDSM. However, it's acceptance is far from universal in that movement. Do a quick search for "feminists", "bondage", and "critique," and you'll find treatises both in strongly in favor of it and strongly decrying it (and other stuff besides). If the feminists themselves have a mixed view of BDSM, a character based in the form is going to get a mixed reception as well. Lincoln did a lot for my people, but make no mistake, he didn't exactly do what he did out of love for blacks. His position on slavery was a lot more nuanced than that. Even so, we accept the good he did for us, but don't forget the rest of the picture. Marston may be the same. Just because he created a feminist icon doesn't mean he intended her to be such from the moment if creation. We don't know the fullness of his intentions, and to assert that WW was created to be a paragon of feminism is simplistic in the light of what we do know. [/QUOTE]

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