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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 1635014" data-attributes="member: 1210">Hmmm...Some thoughts so far:I'd still assign both modified Feral versions a +2 LA as they are above.  Without spending a ton of time mulling it over, here's what I see as a +1 LA feral template that keeps darkvision:Type: Changes to monstrous humanoid.AC: Natural armor bonus changes to +2 or current, whichever is better.Attacks: A feral creature gains two claw attacks if it did not already have them.  These claws are primary natural weapons, and do 1d4 points of damage for a Medium creature (scaling up or down with size accordingly).Special Qualities: The feral creature gain darkvision 60'.Abilities: Str +2, Dex -2, Con +2, Int -4, Wis +2.Feats: Gain Faster Healing as a bonus feat.***Wow, by the book feral only gets +1 LA??  Yet the CR adjustment is as high as +4.... hmph.  Someone wasn't payin' attention- the stuff a feral creature gets is great for a character who lasts more than one encounter, especially the fast healing.As to fiddling with the ranger, I'm not sure how I'd go about that- kinda depends on what sort of traits you have in mind for your animalistic traits.Actually, my personal favorite idea is to swap out ranger stuff for feral template stuff; that way you don't have to mess with a LA.  Lessee...Level--Drop/Gain4-- Drop Animal Companion and 1st level spells; gain natural armor +1, +10' enhancement bonus to land speed and two claw attacks (1d4 damage for medium character)6-- Gain darkvision 60'7-- Claw attack damage increases to 1d6 for medium character8-- Drop 2nd level spells; gain natural armor +2 and improved grab9-- Gain darkvision 90'10-- Gain natural armor +311-- Drop 3rd level spells; claw attack now deals base 1d8 damage; gain pounce12-- Gain natural armor +4, darkvision 120'14-- Drop 4th level spells; gain natural armor +5 and rake ability 16-- Gain natural armor +6 and fast healing 117-- Gain rend ability18-- Gain fast healing 220-- Type changes to monstrous humanoid, gain fast healing 5I'm not sure if it's balanced- I pretty much just threw that together- but it's a start.Hmm, although there are no ability adjustments in there- now that would definitely be over the top.  Maybe with 4 skill points per level, though....?  Anyway, as I said, just some thoughts/ideas- I'm definitely open to suggestions myself.</blockquote>

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