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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7885324" data-attributes="member: 57494">Hey everyone. This has been discussed a bit elsewhere, but no one can really seem to make a determination. Sage Advice weighed in ... and didn't make anything clearer. Kind of Ironic, considering the ability is about detecting invisible creatures.For those without the compendium handy, here's the ability:Feral SensesAt 18th level, you gain preternatural senses that help you fight creatures you can't see. When you attack a creature you can't see, your inability to see it doesn't impose disadvantage on your attack rolls against it.You are also aware of the location of any invisible creature within 30 feet of you, provided that the creature isn't hidden from you and you aren't blinded or deafened.Now, clearly, this is supposed to be some version of "Blindsense". The Rogue has a similar ability:BlindsenseStarting at 14th level, if you are ablet o hear, you are aware of the location of any hidden or invisible creature within 10 feet of you.Now, the Rogue's is far more clear as to how it works.How does Invisibility work?Invisible<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of a magical or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack rolls against the creature have disadvantage, and the creature's attack rolls have advantage.</li> </ul>Okay, so Feral Senses clearly negates the "attack rolls against the [invisible] creature have disadvantage" portion. But how does "you are also aware of the location of any invisible creature within 30 feet of you, provided that the creature isn't hidden from you and you aren't blinded or deafened"?If a creature is invisible, it is heavily obscured and can hide without cover or other obscurement. Does Feral Senses negate this portion of invisibility, and thus make them unable to hide? Or if an invisible creature is hidden from the Ranger at 45 feet, then moves to within 30 feet, are they still hidden, because the ability specifies "provided that the creature isn't hidden from you"?Sage Advice tried to answer it <a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/03/05/rangers-feral-senses/" target="_blank">HERE</a> and <a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/04/21/is-feral-sense-pointless/" target="_blank">HERE</a>. Jeremy Crawford seems to imply that it takes "effort" to detect an unhidden invisible creature, but the invisible condition just says an invisible creature can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves. The "Unseen Attackers and Targets" section is also unclear whether it takes any effort to locate an invisible but unhidden target.The "Hiding" section states "an invisible creature can always try to hide. Signs of its passage might be noticed, and it does have to stay quiet".So, how do you understand this all to work?</blockquote>

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