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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mad Hamish" data-source="post: 4664892" data-attributes="member: 25321">I'm not sure that realism is ever a particularly good plan for an rpg.It's certainly never been one of D&Ds real selling points.I'm not sure what you mean by separation of classes here.a) I don't think people really want to track which skills they have used at a level.b) I don't think we really want to give rogues +5 to stealth at level 10, rangers +5 to perception, Paladins +5 to intimidate etc. It brings back the problems of cross class skills in 3rd edc) if a character is really focused in the skill they can take skill focus as a feat.I'm not really in favour of penalising the character for that.It's another thing to track and makes the character much less effective for too long. 1 round to stand up, 1 to get the weapon, 1 to move to the enemy (or force a charge) etc.Not overly fun for the player.Also makes them more vulnerable and likely to be sent back down immediately.It massively reduces the effectiveness of lazer clerics, archer rangers, warlocks and missile based rogues.It's not like those characters are dominantly overpowered in the current system.It's going way too far and virtually forces characters to take feats, items or paragon paths that let them ignore cover.The tank can move in and engage and is far better off doing that than sitting back to be hit (which also means they aren't getting to do anything themselves)</blockquote>