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<blockquote data-quote="OchreJelly" data-source="post: 5206863" data-attributes="member: 62056">...and the shorter durations are a response to the older problem of spreadsheeting out long lists of pre-encounter buffs and such.&nbsp; Yet still, there can be a frequent need to audit those encounter buffs / debuffs when like a dispel magic goes off.&nbsp; I'm not saying either edition is bad, but they both present different sides to the same problem: duration tracking.&nbsp; In 4E's case it's interesting because it introduces a new problem by having rapid-fire, short lived durations directly in response to the older problem of duration tracking.&nbsp; That new problem being even many short-lived conditions can be fiddly.&nbsp; Is it more fiddly to put the breaks on the game to figure out a big dispel magic (and here I plead Pathfinder ignorance -- not sure if this is different there), or is it more fiddly to deal with round-by-round durations coming and going?&nbsp; For me, I prefer the latter but only because I make use of tools like cards and tokens.&nbsp; I'd probably be lost without them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OchreJelly, post: 5206863, member: 62056"] ...and the shorter durations are a response to the older problem of spreadsheeting out long lists of pre-encounter buffs and such. Yet still, there can be a frequent need to audit those encounter buffs / debuffs when like a dispel magic goes off. I'm not saying either edition is bad, but they both present different sides to the same problem: duration tracking. In 4E's case it's interesting because it introduces a new problem by having rapid-fire, short lived durations [I]directly in response to[/I] the older problem of duration tracking. That new problem being even many short-lived conditions can be fiddly. Is it more fiddly to put the breaks on the game to figure out a big dispel magic (and here I plead Pathfinder ignorance -- not sure if this is different there), or is it more fiddly to deal with round-by-round durations coming and going? For me, I prefer the latter [I]but only [/I]because I make use of tools like cards and tokens. I'd probably be lost without them. [/QUOTE]

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