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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5209588" data-attributes="member: 82106">Mmmm, yeah, that's probably not radically different from what I've seen, but I'd have to say that your average party is still not having a lot of problems with being slowed. It definitely will come up some, but I don't think the game would change a huge amount if the condition didn't exist.Were I intent on redesigning 4e to have less conditions I guess I'd just eliminate immobilized (restrained will do basically the same thing), slowed, and I'd make weakened something like a to-hit penalty perhaps. I don't personally have a problem with marking mechanics. Yes, they're ubiquitous but the very ubiquity kind of makes them reasonably easy to deal with. You KNOW that whatever the fighter was just engaging is marked. Heck we don't even generally bother to track it, though with multiple defenders it could easily get a bit more complex. The core of the issue is just the sheer number of little minor variations on very similar effects. I think if I were starting with a blank slate I'd actually consider adding a couple of conditions to reflect the most common effects. I'd strongly consider regularizing them all to have durations ending on the end of the turn of the target (with save ends or encounter long being more rare options). Then I would simply NOT design very many powers doing 'fiddly' things. Make most of them daily, make the maximum possible number of them instantaneous, and try to use one or another standard condition as often as humanly possible. I think this aspect of the game could have been made 2-3 times simpler without measurably impacting tactical depth. Some other things could also have been done to compensate and present additional tactical challenges, like slightly increasing the effects of terrain in general. I'm tempted to delve into a bit deeper reflection on how the various parts of the 4e design ended up fitting together that bear on this whole subject, but I won't. Its a good design, just like anything when you go back and look at it afterwards hindsight usually shows some potential improvements. Its still one of the best designed RPGs around today overall.</blockquote>

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