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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 2968306" data-attributes="member: 20323"><p>I didn't know this about the meaning of the word "daemon". Thanks!</p><p>Certainly there are faeries who exist outside of the hierarchical society, like the Hunt?</p><p></p><p> </p><p>It doesn't need to be true, I just have a hunch. </p><p>For my purposes, I want the nature spirits in my campaign world to be a pervasive presence.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, the Talmud tells the tale of Ben Temalion, allegedly a demon who helped Simon when he went to Rome to get edicts against the Jews revoked. Ben Temalion offered to enter the body of a Roman princess and not leave until Simon whispered his name, upon which all glass in the palace would shatter. Everything occured as Ben Temalion promised.</p><p></p><p>Due to the Ben Temalion's helpfulness French Jews considered him a kind of "lutin" (meaning goblin or brownie). The Tosafists give Bentemalion the appearance of a child and portray him as sporting with women. A variant of this story appears in the Jewish folktales: "The Goblin and the Princess": An obliging little ogre helps two wise men convince the Roman emperor to let the Jews continue to observe the Sabbath and their holy laws. Admitedly, these views are later interpretations, but when you consider that Ben Temalion was a helpful spirit it seems to make sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? What about giants and Wendigo spirits? Are these fey or something else?</p><p>There is a Chippewa/Ojibwa story about the lazy south wind Shawondasee who was so lazy he couldn't pursue a green-clothed woman with golden yello hair. Of course, it's a funny story, and at the end the woman is revealed to be a meadow dandelion, but still, it makes you wonder...</p><p></p><p></p><p>I like your definition.</p><p>Defining fey seems very difficult to me because there always seems to be a couple fey who break the definition. For example: Many Italian folktales refer to hearth spirits who, while hidden from view, inhabitated people's homes. Also, peasant faeries would trade with humans, and while they appeared dwarf-like, they were definitely out in the open.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 2968306, member: 20323"] I didn't know this about the meaning of the word "daemon". Thanks! Certainly there are faeries who exist outside of the hierarchical society, like the Hunt? It doesn't need to be true, I just have a hunch. For my purposes, I want the nature spirits in my campaign world to be a pervasive presence. Actually, the Talmud tells the tale of Ben Temalion, allegedly a demon who helped Simon when he went to Rome to get edicts against the Jews revoked. Ben Temalion offered to enter the body of a Roman princess and not leave until Simon whispered his name, upon which all glass in the palace would shatter. Everything occured as Ben Temalion promised. Due to the Ben Temalion's helpfulness French Jews considered him a kind of "lutin" (meaning goblin or brownie). The Tosafists give Bentemalion the appearance of a child and portray him as sporting with women. A variant of this story appears in the Jewish folktales: "The Goblin and the Princess": An obliging little ogre helps two wise men convince the Roman emperor to let the Jews continue to observe the Sabbath and their holy laws. Admitedly, these views are later interpretations, but when you consider that Ben Temalion was a helpful spirit it seems to make sense. Really? What about giants and Wendigo spirits? Are these fey or something else? There is a Chippewa/Ojibwa story about the lazy south wind Shawondasee who was so lazy he couldn't pursue a green-clothed woman with golden yello hair. Of course, it's a funny story, and at the end the woman is revealed to be a meadow dandelion, but still, it makes you wonder... I like your definition. Defining fey seems very difficult to me because there always seems to be a couple fey who break the definition. For example: Many Italian folktales refer to hearth spirits who, while hidden from view, inhabitated people's homes. Also, peasant faeries would trade with humans, and while they appeared dwarf-like, they were definitely out in the open. [/QUOTE]
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