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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9568698" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Yeah this is the key point.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[USER=20323]@Quickleaf[/USER] doesn't really need to answer that.</p><p></p><p>You should address your question to Crawford and Schneider. Because it's them who have made great efforts to portray this as a change in "the way people play the game", not a top-down change from the designers.</p><p></p><p>And just generally, it matters quite a lot, and it's kind of silly to ask that question, I'd personally suggest, because it's obvious - an RPG that makes player-lead changes is listening to its players and reflecting how they actually play. And some RPGs do that. And others don't. D&D has made a great fuss of listening to its players, but this isn't something coming from the players. This is pure designer whimsy - and I don't object to that, but I do object to pretending it's "from the players".</p><p></p><p></p><p>We have a great deal of evidence that game designer, particularly WotC game designers are somewhat confused/deluded as to what their audience wants. Nevertheless, it's objectively a different thing to try to provide something that you think your audience maybe wants (which this is) and to reflect something your audience is already doing. And they're portraying this as the latter. Which is weird.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No it doesn't.</p><p></p><p>Sorry but you're flatly wrong. There is no particular "resurgent interest in Celtic culture" at this time in history, in 2025. No more than there has been on and off since about 1807. And less than there has been quite recently. Indeed as someone who likes Celtic stuff, I'm kind of disappointed we haven't seen a real revival for a while.</p><p></p><p>There was a revival in the 1980s, for example, extending into the 1990s a bit. But right now? No. That's... sadly not a thing. And when there was genuine huge "Celtomania" in the 1980s, TSR's only attempt to capitalize on it was the Moonshae Isles, which were forced into the FR.</p><p></p><p>Labyrinth is not... Celtic in any meaningful mythological sense. Awesome movie and much as I like Eggers I'm sure he's utterly screw up the totally unnecessary remake though. And I think it's funny that you're like "OMG they're remaking Labyrinth, that proves my point!", as if Labyrinth didn't exist in the 1980s...</p><p></p><p>We did have some Vikingmania about ten years ago which is kind of still going, but that's rather different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9568698, member: 18"] Yeah this is the key point. [USER=20323]@Quickleaf[/USER] doesn't really need to answer that. You should address your question to Crawford and Schneider. Because it's them who have made great efforts to portray this as a change in "the way people play the game", not a top-down change from the designers. And just generally, it matters quite a lot, and it's kind of silly to ask that question, I'd personally suggest, because it's obvious - an RPG that makes player-lead changes is listening to its players and reflecting how they actually play. And some RPGs do that. And others don't. D&D has made a great fuss of listening to its players, but this isn't something coming from the players. This is pure designer whimsy - and I don't object to that, but I do object to pretending it's "from the players". We have a great deal of evidence that game designer, particularly WotC game designers are somewhat confused/deluded as to what their audience wants. Nevertheless, it's objectively a different thing to try to provide something that you think your audience maybe wants (which this is) and to reflect something your audience is already doing. And they're portraying this as the latter. Which is weird. No it doesn't. Sorry but you're flatly wrong. There is no particular "resurgent interest in Celtic culture" at this time in history, in 2025. No more than there has been on and off since about 1807. And less than there has been quite recently. Indeed as someone who likes Celtic stuff, I'm kind of disappointed we haven't seen a real revival for a while. There was a revival in the 1980s, for example, extending into the 1990s a bit. But right now? No. That's... sadly not a thing. And when there was genuine huge "Celtomania" in the 1980s, TSR's only attempt to capitalize on it was the Moonshae Isles, which were forced into the FR. Labyrinth is not... Celtic in any meaningful mythological sense. Awesome movie and much as I like Eggers I'm sure he's utterly screw up the totally unnecessary remake though. And I think it's funny that you're like "OMG they're remaking Labyrinth, that proves my point!", as if Labyrinth didn't exist in the 1980s... We did have some Vikingmania about ten years ago which is kind of still going, but that's rather different. [/QUOTE]
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