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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 7453739" data-attributes="member: 59057">That sounds better. But only a bit. There is no social pressure. Ir there should not be. I expect everyone to play their character. If you are playing in a game that has a social contract about the power level of characters then of course you should try to fulfill it. But it is no board game where you win or lose if you don't overcome given challenges. A roleplaying game for us is a game where you as a DM habe a multitude of challenges most of which are not overcoming the hardest encounters ever. Fighting is usally only one of many options. And fights don't always play towards the optimizers strength.And now to adress your concerns about intentionally shopting in your own foot. I am sure that everyone tries to build a character that is fun for him. Shooting in your own foot is not. And I don't like to play in games with evil completely selfish characters that play against their group. But a character that only hangs around for social challenges? We once rolled for stats in 3.0 and our bard had stats of 8 9 10 12 13 14. I think in that order. Was the best bard you could wish for. Not only focussed completely to be the best social character ever selling every piece of loot with profit bit also used inspiration to probably deal the most damage by lmproving all other characters. I don't know if that would have qualified as a legit character for you.</blockquote>