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<blockquote data-quote="Alan Shutko" data-source="post: 5009335" data-attributes="member: 23694">A couple things have contributed to the death of imagination in the group I play with.The first was a rules layout problem.&nbsp; Page 42 is in the DMG.&nbsp; None of the players knew that it existed for the first six months we played (until I read about it here).&nbsp; If it had been mentioned somewhere in the PHB, I think that would have given us a lot more license to try things differently.&nbsp; Yes, 4e actually expects you to try stuff outside the box!&nbsp; But you won't necessarily know about it unless you're the DM.The second problem has been a DM problem.&nbsp; The DCs for standard powers are set, by the rules.&nbsp; When we try anything outside the box, the DCs we get are high and accompanied by negative effects on failure.&nbsp; For example in our game, somersaulting over a barrier with acrobatics usually has a higher DC than just shooting through cover, and if you fail, you end up prone.&nbsp; With that kind of penalty, who would bother trying it?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alan Shutko, post: 5009335, member: 23694"] A couple things have contributed to the death of imagination in the group I play with. The first was a rules layout problem. Page 42 is in the DMG. None of the players knew that it existed for the first six months we played (until I read about it here). If it had been mentioned somewhere in the PHB, I think that would have given us a lot more license to try things differently. Yes, 4e actually expects you to try stuff outside the box! But you won't necessarily know about it unless you're the DM. The second problem has been a DM problem. The DCs for standard powers are set, by the rules. When we try anything outside the box, the DCs we get are high and accompanied by negative effects on failure. For example in our game, somersaulting over a barrier with acrobatics usually has a higher DC than just shooting through cover, and if you fail, you end up prone. With that kind of penalty, who would bother trying it? [/QUOTE]

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