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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8621381" data-attributes="member: 57383">Well in theory I have no objection, especially as both the <a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-frog-giant/" target="_blank">Giant Frog</a> and <a href="https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-crocodile/" target="_blank">Crocodile</a> have Stealth proficiency in 5E to reflect their ambush predator tactics.However, Advantage in Stealth is more effective than Proficiency for the spinescale and I'm reluctant to support giving them both. That'd make them way sneakier than a standard 5E croc. which doesn't seem justified.Here's the numbers:A Spinescale with Stealth +1 from its DEX 12 would on average roll 11.5 normally, 14.327 with Advantage and 8.175 with Disadvantage.A Spinescale with Stealth +3 because it has Proficiency would roll averages of 13.5 normally, 16.327 with Advantage and 10.175 with Disadvantage.So a Stealth-proficient Spinescale (13.5 average) is a little worse at hiding than an Stealth-advantaged Spinescale (14.327 average), but one with both is superior to both (16.327 average). Heck, it's even superior to a spinescale with double Stealth-proficiency for Stealth +5, which normally averages 15.5.EDITING NOTE: Wandering around Homebrews I noticed &quot;However, Advantage in Stealth is less effective than Proficiency at that CR&quot; is wrong and felt compelled to change it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8621381, member: 57383"] Well in theory I have no objection, especially as both the [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-frog-giant/']Giant Frog[/URL][/B] and [B][URL='https://www.5esrd.com/database/creature/animal-crocodile/']Crocodile[/URL][/B] have Stealth proficiency in 5E to reflect their ambush predator tactics. However, Advantage in Stealth is more effective than Proficiency for the spinescale and I'm reluctant to support giving them both. That'd make them way sneakier than a standard 5E croc. which doesn't seem justified. Here's the numbers: A Spinescale with Stealth +1 from its DEX 12 would on average roll 11.5 normally, 14.327 with Advantage and 8.175 with Disadvantage. A Spinescale with Stealth +3 because it has Proficiency would roll averages of 13.5 normally, 16.327 with Advantage and 10.175 with Disadvantage. So a Stealth-proficient Spinescale (13.5 average) is a little worse at hiding than an Stealth-advantaged Spinescale (14.327 average), but one with both is superior to both (16.327 average). Heck, it's even superior to a spinescale with double Stealth-proficiency for Stealth +5, which normally averages 15.5. EDITING NOTE: Wandering around Homebrews I noticed "However, Advantage in Stealth is [COLOR=red]less[/COLOR] effective than Proficiency [COLOR=red]at that CR[/COLOR]" is wrong and felt compelled to change it. [/QUOTE]

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