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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8649801" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Well they've got a point better AC than a 1E AD&D ogre (4 vs 5) and do 163% the damage (2d8 vs 1d10) which presumably accounts for them having a higher Monstermark despite the lower Hit Dice (3d8+1 vs 4d8+1).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Huh? In Fifth Edition a Thri-kreen attacks twice with <em><strong>Multiattack</strong></em>: one weapon plus one bite. It doesn't have four attacks due to its four arms.</p><p></p><p>Plus the text specifically says the Bogy makes two 1d8 attacks with weapons. There's no mention of it using its horns to attack with as well.</p><p></p><p>Admittedly, Glabrezu have horns and use them in combat in their Original D&D <em>Eldritch Wizardry</em> and BECMI incarnations (which gives them a five attack pincer/pincer/horn/horn/bite routine), but it also says they didn't "make the grade" as compared to glabrezus. Incidentally, in 2E and 3E that changes to pincer/pincer/clawed hand/clawed hand/bite. The 1977 <em>Monster Manual</em> doesn't say what the Type III demon's five attacks actually are, but most likely it's the OD&D version with the horns.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'd just follow the original <em>White Dwarf #5</em> text and have the Bogy <strong><em>Multiattack</em></strong> with weapons alone.</p><p></p><p>In any event, their AC and Hit Dice seem too low. A 0E/1E Bugbear has a worse AC and the same HD as a Bogy, but bugbears are <strong>Armor Class</strong> 16, <strong>Hit Points</strong> 27 (5d8 + 5) in 5E.</p><p></p><p>Plus if the Monstermark is between an Ogre (CR 2) and Minotaur (CR 3), that suggests a Bogy is <strong>Challenge</strong> 2 or 3 and they need a bit of beefing up from CR 1.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8649801, member: 57383"] Well they've got a point better AC than a 1E AD&D ogre (4 vs 5) and do 163% the damage (2d8 vs 1d10) which presumably accounts for them having a higher Monstermark despite the lower Hit Dice (3d8+1 vs 4d8+1). Huh? In Fifth Edition a Thri-kreen attacks twice with [I][B]Multiattack[/B][/I]: one weapon plus one bite. It doesn't have four attacks due to its four arms. Plus the text specifically says the Bogy makes two 1d8 attacks with weapons. There's no mention of it using its horns to attack with as well. Admittedly, Glabrezu have horns and use them in combat in their Original D&D [I]Eldritch Wizardry[/I] and BECMI incarnations (which gives them a five attack pincer/pincer/horn/horn/bite routine), but it also says they didn't "make the grade" as compared to glabrezus. Incidentally, in 2E and 3E that changes to pincer/pincer/clawed hand/clawed hand/bite. The 1977 [I]Monster Manual[/I] doesn't say what the Type III demon's five attacks actually are, but most likely it's the OD&D version with the horns. Personally, I'd just follow the original [I]White Dwarf #5[/I] text and have the Bogy [B][I]Multiattack[/I][/B] with weapons alone. In any event, their AC and Hit Dice seem too low. A 0E/1E Bugbear has a worse AC and the same HD as a Bogy, but bugbears are [B]Armor Class[/B] 16, [B]Hit Points[/B] 27 (5d8 + 5) in 5E. Plus if the Monstermark is between an Ogre (CR 2) and Minotaur (CR 3), that suggests a Bogy is [B]Challenge[/B] 2 or 3 and they need a bit of beefing up from CR 1. [/QUOTE]
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