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<blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 899003" data-attributes="member: 4049">The problem I have with a Fallen Celestial template, at least the once printed in Legions of Hell, is the fact that the entity actually acquires more power after the fall... and loses virtually nothing in a game sense (it has a tough job entering holy sites).I think this problem is compounded by the fact that in Green Ronin, the answer to the Fallen Celestial template, Archangels, are not a template so much as it is an enhancement to existing immunities and resistances (and Celestial Aura).&nbsp; Furthermore, there is no real &quot;Risen Fiend&quot; concept, something which would have reduced/eliminated the idea that Green Ronin's cosmology and ideas are heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian-Islamic concepts (a superficial view, in my mind).&nbsp; The closest we get to a &quot;Risen Fiend&quot; is the Reforged template... a process by which an Evil being is forced to become Good.&nbsp; (Most Christian traditions do not allow for the redemption of Angelic beings.&nbsp; Those who suggested such a thing, like Origen, were excommunicated by the Catholic Church).&nbsp; So, effectively, not only do sentient creatures become more powerful when they become evil, they also have a choice in the matter.&nbsp; It's&nbsp; a strange concept from otherwise great material from Green Ronin.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Serge, post: 899003, member: 4049"] The problem I have with a Fallen Celestial template, at least the once printed in [i]Legions of Hell[/i], is the fact that the entity actually [i]acquires[/i] more power after the fall... and loses virtually nothing in a game sense (it has a tough job entering holy sites). I think this problem is compounded by the fact that in Green Ronin, the answer to the Fallen Celestial template, Archangels, are not a template so much as it is an enhancement to existing immunities and resistances (and Celestial Aura). Furthermore, there is no real "Risen Fiend" concept, something which would have reduced/eliminated the idea that Green Ronin's cosmology and ideas are heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian-Islamic concepts (a superficial view, in my mind). The closest we get to a "Risen Fiend" is the Reforged template... a process by which an Evil being is [i]forced[/i] to become Good. (Most Christian traditions do not allow for the redemption of Angelic beings. Those who suggested such a thing, like Origen, were excommunicated by the Catholic Church). So, effectively, not only do sentient creatures become more powerful when they become evil, they also have a choice in the matter. It's a strange concept from otherwise great material from Green Ronin. [/QUOTE]

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