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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 2614248" data-attributes="member: 7624">You are both channeling me....  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I have felt this way for years but not only myself but my players. One of my players, my brother, noted that fiends and celestial beings and all the other critters that inhabit the planes are more like merely alien species than the incarnations of absolute good and evil. Taverns in Sigil where these guys would all have an ale reminded me conceptually of a bar scene in star wars as opposed to a gathering of immortals who saw things in fundamentally, essentially and completely different ways than did mortals. In my campaign when I had a tavern where treaties were signed and things were discussed between the heavy hitters I had them take mortal form and only in a rage would they take their true form. In Sigil itself one didn't see angels and demons walking around, folks saw people who had something different about them....an aura of love or cruelty for example, a look in their eye, a manner of moving that was....different....unnatural.Ripping away the mystery of the archetypal beings of good and evil (which in part was necessary to run planescape as intended) was the very thing IMO that ruined it for me and my players. Wow we saw the man behind the curtain and what we saw wasn't ineffable good or evil but beings who seemed a bit like humans in funny costumes or sci-fi aliens for all their humanity.Fiends in love.....Jesus, please. Yeah right....incarnate EVIL that can care for another as much or more than it cares for itself. Incarnate evil that trusts another and can be trusted by another to work in that other's best interest even at personal cost to itself. That is love.If fiends are capable of selfless affection and placing the welfare of another on the same plane as their own or even higher then they aren't evil incarnate. Sorry but that isn't incarnate darkness......its mortal. Its a mortal in a funny costume.Chris</blockquote>

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