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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2625180" data-attributes="member: 11697">*grin*So long as the material from 'Hellbound: The Blood War' and 'Faces of Evil: The Fiends' gets used I figure I'll have little to see wanting. Given their influence in 2e and 3e, it'd be hard not to <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It would also be interesting to see something picked up from the legends and rumors about Bebelith hives on the Astral, and Bebelith's being astral natives detailed in the 2e Planescape 'Guide to the Astral'. It was a disturbing idea that they might be the guilt of the Abyss made manifest as solid thought on the Astral. Perhaps the rage of the first Abyssal denizens who were displaced and destroyed by the arrival of the first Tanar'ri from the Waste (Tanar'ri and Baatezu as late arrivals on their respective planes, originally having migrated from the Waste or been shepherded from there as detailed in 'Hellbound', 'Faces of Evil', and other sources).Going off of the slim hints in that book: Imagine a hive of silk stretched between the hunks of a dismembered godisle, the astral corpse of a dead god, the silk spun by Bebeliths from the still living Tanar'ri they abduct from the Abyss. Webs that vibrate from the touch of the Bebeliths dancing upon their lengths, the twitching and screaming of the Tanar'ri bound like so many flies in a spider's web. Imagine the webs themselves spun of manifest agony from those doomed Tanar'ri, that agony taken physical form to vibrate and resonate like the perverse lengths of thousands of bloody, bodiless vocal chords howling their agony out into the silent depths of the silvery void.That was a damn cool idea, and it's easy to elaborate like that upon it. Would be cool to see more.Would also be cool to see something picked up regarding the hinted at, but never elaborated upon, ideas in 'Planes of Chaos' about the Varrangoin / Abyssal Bats having once had a civilization of their own that was subsequently obliterated by the Tanar'ri. Perhaps the Varrangoin predated the arrival of the Tanar'ri?More so, it would be interesting to see anything about the ideas of the layers of the Abyss themselves being semi-sentient. Baator has the Ancient Baatorians, the Waste has the Baernaloths, but there was never any indication of what was in the Abyss before the creation/migration of the Tanar'ri. Perhaps the Abyss itself and its infinite layers were the Abyss versions, who knows.I'd give more suggestions, but I've gotten more use out of the Yugoloths than the Tanar'ri, and written more about the 'loths in both stories and storyhours. Though I'm using the Abyss much more in my current campaign.</blockquote>

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