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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grover Cleaveland" data-source="post: 2643893" data-attributes="member: 34932">Stats for demon princes would be by far the least useful part of the book for me, and the first thing I'd like to see go if space is an issue. Many people seem to like seeing full combat stats for the lords of the planes, but just as many object to the non-epic, non-deific level at which they're currently held. The result is an online population divided into fiercely opposed camps - the ones who like demon princes their non-epic PCs might have a chance at, the ones who like to see them take full advantage of the epic rules and be the logical conclusion to an epic-level campaign, and those who prefer planar lords who are equal to the gods themselves (as they were, more or less, in 1st and 2nd edition), able to defend their strongholds from divine interference, make pacts with gods as equals, and punish deities who neglect to give them the proper respect. These various camps seem to be so irreconcilable that the best solution seems to be to let fans stat them or not stat them as they please, and concentrating on giving interesting story hooks and flavor. That goes for Dragon, too.</blockquote>