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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pants" data-source="post: 2649198" data-attributes="member: 8849">I think you missed the point.I said:So *gasp* I kinda sorta agree with you! They don't make sense as statted in the BoVD, but that doesn't mean that statting them out is a completely worthless endeavor.So, I'm not objecting to people making the stats better (or more... logical), I'm objecting to those who make jerks out of themselves by saying 'tehy don't need stats it makes them into just another monster' while simultaneously crapping on someone elses game style.I, personally, wouldn't really care if it makes sense or not. If I want a confrontation with a Demon Prince to the culmination of an epic campaign, then I will have it. I'm playing a game after all, not some lesson in logic.Not really. Things change between editions all the time or, as is the case with 1e, they evolved throughout that edition.Back on topic: I also think that FCI:HotA shouldn't have any Demonic Prince stats in them. They take up a lot of room and, as is seen here, no one really agrees with how powerful they should be or even if they should be statted out at all. Might as well keep the stats and the big writeups as a part of Dragon.</blockquote>