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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2649376" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey Grover! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Exactly...especially given the rules of D&Dg where a god of higher rank has such an upper hand on those of lower rank. Anthraxus should have dropped that fool like a bag o' dirt...assuming they still don't have a darn Ultroloth on the throne in that novel...? Does the official cosmology even make the slightest sense nowadays though? Hell no! Maybe hes waiting for continuity to catch up with him.I presented a solution a while back.Here is the Abyssal version:- Demonic Champion 15-19 HD, rules single holding (ie. Castle), Hero-deity- Demon Lord 20-29 HD, rules part of an abyssal layer (1d6 holdings), Quasi-deity- Demon Prince 30-39 HD, rules one or more (1d6) layers, Demi-deity- Demon Monarch 40-59 HD, rules multiple (10d6) layers, Lesser Deity- Demon Emperor 60-79 HD, rules the entire Abyss, Intermediate Deity (currently there is no - Abyssal Emperor, however I did venture that Lolth/Lilith could be a sort of Demonic Queen Mother who is content to sit in her web rather than vie with the Monarchs for control of the Abyss)- Nether Emperor 80-119 HD, rules multiple planes, Greater Deity (ie. Nerull/Infestix rules Gehenna, Hades and Tarterus)A few things to note, I came up with this prior to 3.5 when the Balor was still 13 Hit Dice, the 3.5 build of the Balor is akin to a weak Demon Lord anyway. I know my Hero-deity and Quasi-deity are reversed from what 1st Edition told us.Also the dominions of each ruler encompass those of its subordinates. So Demogorgons 10d6 layers would include those realms of the (1d6) Princes, (10d6) Lords and (100d6) Champions under his banner.To convert the demons from 1st Edition simply divide their original hit points by 4 and see where they are on the scale. If their position doesn't match their known status, multiply by either x1.5, x2, x3 or x4 to get them to the right Hit Dice bracket.eg. Demogorgon (200 hp) 200 divided by 4 = 50 HD Demon Monarch/Lesser Powereg. Orcus (120 hp) divided by 4 = 30 HD x1.5 (because we know Orcus is a Demon Monarch) = 45 HD/Lesser Power.eg. Yeenoghu (110 hp) divided by 4 = 25 HD x1.5 (because we know Yeenoghu is a Demon Prince) = 37 HD/Demipower.eg. Lolth (66 hp) divided by 4 = 16.5 HD x4 (because we know Lolth is an Intermediate Goddess) = 66 HD/Intermediate Power.The Avatars of the various Demon Princes would all be Quasi-deities, so Demogorgons Avatar would be 25 HD, as would Yeenoghus, Orcus Avatar would be 22 HD, as would Lolths. To get the HD value of the Avatar simply divide the deities HD by either 1.5, 2, 3 or 4 until it is with the 20-29 HD parameter. Anyway, just a thought.</blockquote>

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