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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BigFreekinGoblinoid" data-source="post: 2652514" data-attributes="member: 5988">I liked the beefed up ( templated or addition of class levels ) unique followers in the BoVD. But some were so high in CR that they could just about take out their master on their own - that I didn't like. But I like seeing stats for Demon Lords - a conundrum to be sure. To reconcile this in my mind, I have decided that the "true" stats for these powerful unique beings have yet to be seen. They may include a "lord/prince" template ( akin to Divine Rank 0 or 1 or something ), and only apply to the true body of the being in it's own realm of power. Beings there are tougher to kill on their own plane, but then they are DEAD. Differing stats for "Avatars" are easiliy rationalized. The being sends an avatar to another plane with as much power as is deemed necessary. If killed in a CR20 body, he may not be able to manifest an avatar on that plane for another 100 years. If a CR30 avatar is killed, he may not be able to manifest another avatar for 500 years. Or something similar, you get the idea. These being's realms ( w/ maps! ) goals/plans , followers, worshipper rules, and rivalries are the most interesting content to me. Avatar stats are fun too, as long as that does not comprise the majority of the space devoted to the bieng. The interative process of creating D&D rules and sourcebooks create many problems when trying to reconcile the resultant differences. But i'll take new rules that are better even if it means invalidating something in a past sourcebook if the alternative is keeping the status quo with rules that have been proved ill conceived ( or received anyway <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> ) - The 3e books of gods probably would have been better received if they had used the EPIC rules in their creation - a book that came out just AFTER those two!!! Anyone planning on using gods as monsters to kill is going to be using EPIC rules for characters!</blockquote>

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