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Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss
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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2657602" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hey Sundragon! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Interesting points you raise.</p><p></p><p>GC - I'll reply to you a little later.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes and no. Each layer is spatially infinite, but the populated area under control of the demon prince/arch-devil is roughly the same size as a planets landmass or less...note that Fraz-Urb'luu's Realm detailed by JJ in the Demonomicon was continent sized.</p><p></p><p>Think of it like this. The outer planes are kosmically localised. Just like the Prime Material Plane they may be infinite in size but only the areas visited are known. The people of Oerth have never met the people of other inhabited planets in their galaxy. Similarly the Demons from Yeenoghus Realm have never encountered demons from other realms that may exist on the same abyssal layer, simply that they are so far apart that they have never met. It could be that Khorne, the Warhammer Blood God has a realm on that layer, or that Mabelode; the Sword God has a realm on that layer. Also note that each planet will have their own corresponding demon cosmology.</p><p></p><p>So if we could take a map of the Prime Material universe and overlap it with a map of each layer of the outer planes, the planets and the corresponding realms of the outer planes known to the residents of those planets would match.</p><p></p><p>Of course its entirely possible that when people of one planet are introduced to those of another, the various kosmic forces will also meet for the first time with potentially violent circumstances. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree, each realm probably comprises several billion demons, mainly those of lower castes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Unnecessary.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with this (although I prefer gods in the £rd Ed. sense not the 2nd Ed./Planescape sense). Most demon princes (and their peers) are worshipped in some capacity, so this is logical.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would say they control their realms as gods do (because they are gods) but not that they and their realms are one and the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They don't rule entire planes, only the kosmically localised portion of such planes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No point worrying about the stats unless you are playing an epic game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 2657602, member: 326"] Hey Sundragon! :) Interesting points you raise. GC - I'll reply to you a little later. Yes and no. Each layer is spatially infinite, but the populated area under control of the demon prince/arch-devil is roughly the same size as a planets landmass or less...note that Fraz-Urb'luu's Realm detailed by JJ in the Demonomicon was continent sized. Think of it like this. The outer planes are kosmically localised. Just like the Prime Material Plane they may be infinite in size but only the areas visited are known. The people of Oerth have never met the people of other inhabited planets in their galaxy. Similarly the Demons from Yeenoghus Realm have never encountered demons from other realms that may exist on the same abyssal layer, simply that they are so far apart that they have never met. It could be that Khorne, the Warhammer Blood God has a realm on that layer, or that Mabelode; the Sword God has a realm on that layer. Also note that each planet will have their own corresponding demon cosmology. So if we could take a map of the Prime Material universe and overlap it with a map of each layer of the outer planes, the planets and the corresponding realms of the outer planes known to the residents of those planets would match. Of course its entirely possible that when people of one planet are introduced to those of another, the various kosmic forces will also meet for the first time with potentially violent circumstances. :) I disagree, each realm probably comprises several billion demons, mainly those of lower castes. See above. Unnecessary. I agree with this (although I prefer gods in the £rd Ed. sense not the 2nd Ed./Planescape sense). Most demon princes (and their peers) are worshipped in some capacity, so this is logical. I would say they control their realms as gods do (because they are gods) but not that they and their realms are one and the same. They don't rule entire planes, only the kosmically localised portion of such planes. No point worrying about the stats unless you are playing an epic game. [/QUOTE]
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