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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grover Cleaveland" data-source="post: 2658121" data-attributes="member: 34932">Yeenoghu rules his whole layer, and, if he desires and pulls power away from other activities, can be at least dimly aware of everything that goes on in that infinity at once. In a sense, Yeenoghu and his layer are one thing - the process of becoming an Abyssal Lord means entering into a symbiotic partnership with the layer, wrestling it into submission with your will and joining with it so that you and the Abyss are one flesh and one mind. This is dangerous - the Abyss may devour those not strong enough, and this will only make them stronger. Things are similar for other planar lords, though most other planes are less wild. Mastering a layer of the Abyss is like mastering a wild bronco, while in Baator, for example, it's more like orchestrating a merger with a corrupt corporation in an even more corrupt nation where you don't own more than half the shares (and perhaps much less).The relatively small size of Fraz-Urb'luu's realm is because he is currently weaker in power than he once was - if he were to get his staff back, he would master his layer entirely.50 years, huh? Funny how you could arrive at such a precise figure considering all of this is utterly made up. This isn't science, dude, you're handwaving and coming up with random figures. I could just as easily say that the fact that demons mainly fight one another easily counterbalances their greater population, but that would be me randomly making up figures, too. We can't get precise here, because we're basing our ideas on things that have no correspondence in reality. That means your ideas are just ideas, and you can't present them as if competing ideas are somehow wrong. In fact, demons as a race can never be more powerful than chaotic evil as a force - their power is tied to the prevalence of chaos and evil throughout the planes. Sexual reproduction, emerging directly from the plane, promotion of souls - they're all just metaphors, in a sense, just as fiends and celestials themselves are. They represent the way each alignment looks at the world, but they're not necessarily "true" - nothing in the Outer Planes is. Travellers there are interacting with symbols - symbols that can devour or transform them, but still symbols. Because it's symbolically resonant, demons appear to mortal perception as unending hordes of chimerical monstrosities with no pattern to their armies, fighting themselves as much as their enemies, while devils appear as smaller tight phalanxes of scaled and horned centurions. They may appear different to different races and cultures. That's how I see it, anyway.</blockquote>

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