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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2658347" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hey GC! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I disagree. </p><p></p><p>1. Thats certainly not conducive with a being of Yeenoghu's power. </p><p>2. Its not mentioned for any of the Demon Nobles in the Book of Vile Darkness.</p><p>3. Even in Deities & Demigods the area wherein the environment is directly controlled by deities is, relatively speaking, a very small area (At best a 2000 mile radius for Divine Rank 20 Greater deities). </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>For the most part I agree with this. Its simply a measure of scale that we differ upon.</p><p></p><p>Sundragons point are still valid. Its illogical that given the known innate power, resources and time the demon nobles have existed that we can attribute to them infinite power within these realms, nor can we attribute infinite resources (which is what you are suggesting if Yeenoghu does indeed rule an infinitely sized area), neither can he have mapped anything more than a small portion of an infinite layer. It would take a decade for a teleport capable explorer to cross a billion miles of territory assuming they teleported to the visible horizon every round and never stopped.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well we don't know how large an area it was to start. </p><p></p><p>But theres something else to contemplate. Lets say Fraz-Urb'luus Realm shown in the Demonomicon is roughly about the average realm size of a Demon Noble who rules only part of their layer (as opposed to one who rules an entire layer). How the heck does a demon lord who becomes a demon prince suddenly go from having a 3000 mile diameter realm to having an infinitely sized realm. It just doesn't make sense. </p><p></p><p>Or do the demon lords only control one third of this infinite space for instance! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>You establish a breeding program and your numbers will increase by 50% every cycle - I admit I took a liberty on the gestation period (a conservative 1 year, though it could be 1 day for demons who knows?). However, starting with two demons, after 50 years of breeding you will have more than 1 billion, after 100 years you will have 1 quintillion.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I think that would certainly play a factor in the weaker Demon Lords retinues but certainly not in a Demon Princes retinue. The realms of the major demon princes come under threat from attack probably once every few centuries. While the demon princes are continually at war with one another the battles don't take place on their doorsteps. The battlegrounds are the peripheral layers and areas only loosely controlled. As such it would be relatively simple for Demon Princes to instigate these breeding programs safe on home soil...if it was at all possible that is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think we are talking about orders of magnitude rather than looking for ultimate precision.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think your points are just as valid with or without demons ability to breed amongst themselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 2658347, member: 326"] Hey GC! :) I disagree. 1. Thats certainly not conducive with a being of Yeenoghu's power. 2. Its not mentioned for any of the Demon Nobles in the Book of Vile Darkness. 3. Even in Deities & Demigods the area wherein the environment is directly controlled by deities is, relatively speaking, a very small area (At best a 2000 mile radius for Divine Rank 20 Greater deities). For the most part I agree with this. Its simply a measure of scale that we differ upon. Sundragons point are still valid. Its illogical that given the known innate power, resources and time the demon nobles have existed that we can attribute to them infinite power within these realms, nor can we attribute infinite resources (which is what you are suggesting if Yeenoghu does indeed rule an infinitely sized area), neither can he have mapped anything more than a small portion of an infinite layer. It would take a decade for a teleport capable explorer to cross a billion miles of territory assuming they teleported to the visible horizon every round and never stopped. Absolutely. Well we don't know how large an area it was to start. But theres something else to contemplate. Lets say Fraz-Urb'luus Realm shown in the Demonomicon is roughly about the average realm size of a Demon Noble who rules only part of their layer (as opposed to one who rules an entire layer). How the heck does a demon lord who becomes a demon prince suddenly go from having a 3000 mile diameter realm to having an infinitely sized realm. It just doesn't make sense. Or do the demon lords only control one third of this infinite space for instance! :D You establish a breeding program and your numbers will increase by 50% every cycle - I admit I took a liberty on the gestation period (a conservative 1 year, though it could be 1 day for demons who knows?). However, starting with two demons, after 50 years of breeding you will have more than 1 billion, after 100 years you will have 1 quintillion. I think that would certainly play a factor in the weaker Demon Lords retinues but certainly not in a Demon Princes retinue. The realms of the major demon princes come under threat from attack probably once every few centuries. While the demon princes are continually at war with one another the battles don't take place on their doorsteps. The battlegrounds are the peripheral layers and areas only loosely controlled. As such it would be relatively simple for Demon Princes to instigate these breeding programs safe on home soil...if it was at all possible that is. I think we are talking about orders of magnitude rather than looking for ultimate precision. I think your points are just as valid with or without demons ability to breed amongst themselves. [/QUOTE]
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