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Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss
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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2660977" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hey GC! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Theres a very obvious reason. Security. If Demon Prince #A has perhaps a billion demons hes not going to want to spread them out over a solar system sized chunk of real estate when the army of Demon Prince #B could enter and take the forces piecemeal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm familiar with the terminology.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I'm not changing it as much as I am defining it.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Infinity isn't just a big number its a pointless one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no qualms with the planes being infinite (as irrelevant as the definition is). My point is that the territories ruled over by the demon princes are not infinite. They do not possess infinite resources nor troops.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You could just as easily infer that ruling the kosmically localised area attributes this power. In effect the demon rules all others (that are known) and becomes the spiritual pole (shamballa) of that realm.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That hardly contradicts the points I raised though does it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Are you telling me these infinite realms can't spare a thousand square miles? Not to mention that for the first 20 years you would need less than a square mile to house your forces.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yet all the major demon princes have been living there for supposedly millenia and they are perfectly fine.</p><p></p><p>Not to mention the fact that we don't really have to stow them in the Abyss since many demon princes seemingly control prime material worlds (Lolth Q1) and/or kingdoms.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not if they are lorded over by a significantly powerful force - thats how the demon princes hold power in the first place. The Monarchs command Princes who command Lords who command Champions etc. Its a hierarchy built on strength and fear.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So a Barbazu has a chance against a dozen Balors if his vision of lawful evil is more powerful? Explain this to me please?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Neither would demons when confronted by a common enemy or a superior of significant power commanding them.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes they can be controlled. The strong bully the weak into doing their bidding. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thats all very Moorcockian. But the individual demon princes certainly appear to have their own agendas.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sufficient weight of numbers will guarantee victory unless the difference in power is astronomical. Demogorgon vs. a Million Barbazu for instance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 2660977, member: 326"] Hey GC! :) Theres a very obvious reason. Security. If Demon Prince #A has perhaps a billion demons hes not going to want to spread them out over a solar system sized chunk of real estate when the army of Demon Prince #B could enter and take the forces piecemeal. I'm familiar with the terminology. I'm not changing it as much as I am defining it. Infinity isn't just a big number its a pointless one. I have no qualms with the planes being infinite (as irrelevant as the definition is). My point is that the territories ruled over by the demon princes are not infinite. They do not possess infinite resources nor troops. You could just as easily infer that ruling the kosmically localised area attributes this power. In effect the demon rules all others (that are known) and becomes the spiritual pole (shamballa) of that realm. That hardly contradicts the points I raised though does it. Are you telling me these infinite realms can't spare a thousand square miles? Not to mention that for the first 20 years you would need less than a square mile to house your forces. Yet all the major demon princes have been living there for supposedly millenia and they are perfectly fine. Not to mention the fact that we don't really have to stow them in the Abyss since many demon princes seemingly control prime material worlds (Lolth Q1) and/or kingdoms. Not if they are lorded over by a significantly powerful force - thats how the demon princes hold power in the first place. The Monarchs command Princes who command Lords who command Champions etc. Its a hierarchy built on strength and fear. So a Barbazu has a chance against a dozen Balors if his vision of lawful evil is more powerful? Explain this to me please? Neither would demons when confronted by a common enemy or a superior of significant power commanding them. Yes they can be controlled. The strong bully the weak into doing their bidding. Thats all very Moorcockian. But the individual demon princes certainly appear to have their own agendas. Sufficient weight of numbers will guarantee victory unless the difference in power is astronomical. Demogorgon vs. a Million Barbazu for instance. [/QUOTE]
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