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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2666545" data-attributes="member: 326">Gey GC! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Which makes another mockery of the idea that they control infinite territory - an impossibility unless you control an infinite number of troops - which we know for a fact that the demon princes don't.Wrong. Lets say Demon Prince #A control a planet sized area of a layer and a rival demon prince #B tries to set up a realm beyond the borders of the area directly outside #A's  control. As soon as #B opens a gate or has troops planeshift in, #A can move troops to intercept. The problem for #B is that as soon as #A mobilses his forces, #B is going to be outnumbered.Thats why demon wars don't happen on the Princes main layer(s) they happen in adjacent layers.Lets try a second world war analogy.Pazuzu = USAOrcus = Great BritainGraz'zt = RussiaDemogorgon = GermanyFraz-Urb'luu = JapanZuggtmoy = ItalyBefore Demogorgon can directly invade Orcus' territory he has to annex all the realms in between. Some demon princes will ally with Demogorgon, such as Zuggtmoy (Italy) and Mandrillagon (Austria), others will have to be taken the hard way, such as Baphomet (France). Small but powerful strike teams of mortal and demonic champions can perform bombing raids or acts of sabotage on Orcus home layer. But until his forces control the adjacent layers he cannot deploy his troops en masse for an invasion. So with the exception of strike teams, neither Demogorgon's nor Orcus' home territories will see any major battles. Instead most of the main battles will take place in the likes of Socothbenoth's realm (North Africa).After initial successes, Demogorgon also allies with Fraz-Urb'luu and decides to attack Graz'zt as well. You don't need an infinite sized realm to possess multiple cities. Fraz-Urb'luu's realm encompasses more than half a dozen settlements (four cities, three towns) and is far from the largest of demon realms as we know.Not depending on how you define the kosmically localised area, for all intents and purposes it is the whole layer. The idea represents the 'known world' if you will. There may be other demon realms but they have not been discovered by the demons we are familiar with because they are kosmically linked to a planet or planets that are unfamiliar to them. Well it takes 999 days for an ice devil to metamorphose into a pit fiend. You would imagine it would be less for weaker fiends and possibly tied into the numerology.eg. Least Devils 9 days, Lesser Devils 99 days, Greater Devils 999 days.Of course thats merely an educated guess, its possible demons could be 6/66/666 days by comparison. You would suspect that if The point I was making was that the realms of the major demon princes are fairly stable.Obviously demons congregate, for the most part, in settlements, its obvious that these settlements are not overtly hostile to natives. Thats not to say there won't be in-fighting, of course there will, but its not likely to get out of hand otherwise the demons in question will face the wrath of their immediate superiors.We know enough to know the Abyss isn't simply a meat grinder for the natives. The monarchs realms are stable enough, the settled areas are stable enough and they don't die of old age. If they could breed, unless the gestation period was measured in decades it would be a very simple matter for any demon prince to have overwhelming forces within a relatively short period of time as demons measure it. Obviously the more powerful the demon the less chance of it dying, no ones challenging that point.Either way, the point in no way affects the main crux of our debate. The main demon realms are stable enough. The main settlements are likewise relatively stable. The demons do not die of old age. As long as the breeding cycle is not measured in decades then the demon princes will be able to overwhelm the rest of the outer planes within a century...easily.  Actually they are beings of Chaos AND Evil, not just chaos.I think you are glossing over the evil aspect inherant within them. The demon princes seek power, and what they can't control they destroy.So technically the war IS between individuals then - thank you.</blockquote>

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