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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2697737" data-attributes="member: 11697">BackslidingAnd this was subsequently rewritten and has been for two editions. I know you love 1E material, but the game has since expanded on the material first established then.I fail to see how the Gord books are relevant here. They were published after Gygax left TSR and while they might provide insight into Gary's ideas on the planes and their denizens, it varies in some very significant ways from the planes and fiends of 2e and 3e. Interesting yes, but not relevant to this discussion.We know you hate 2E with a fury I fail to understand as someone who didn't play till 3e. Any discussion on such things ultimately boils down to you stating that 1E roXXors, 2e was an abomination, and what 3e largely embraced from 2e also sucks and which you hate, ignore, and largely aren't wholly familiar with. It's an edition war with you anytime we talk about planar material, and I really don't care to keep falling back into this.Yet I do. *lament*As you've made clear time after time. It 'oppresses' you.There's no reason to whine about this here in this thread, it's off topic and irrelevant.*amused eyebrow* O...K...As opposed to the current fit? I'm not familiar with your own personal houserules on this topic here, but they aren't all derived from the spirits of the dead in DnD. That's well established.Don't get all worked UK, they're half-fiends, not full blooded Baatezu. Baatezu females are sterile, thus Baatezu cannot normally breed more of their own kind. Baatezu males are fertile, and can and do breed with mortals to create half-fiends. No one ever said they didn't.If you want to talk game mechanics, since that's your focus, Durzagons don't have Baatezu traits.See above.</blockquote>

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