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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2697929" data-attributes="member: 11697">Except in the context of this entire thread the Planescape material is one of the primary sources whereas the Gord novels aren't even on the table for more than one reason. What on earth am I talking about? I don't even think that WotC could use them as sources for legal reasons, completely outside of their being in a different continuity of the planes than 2e or 3e.You're not that familiar with it then. It didn't have them traipsing about anywhere that was violently hostile till they could actually handle it, or avoid overt dangers. It wasn't anywhere remotely as 'cuddly' as you might like to characterize it as.You've expressed distate for PS beyond the reasons you cite as hating 2e for, it borders of kneejerk.And most of the 3e Manual of the Planes, the Planar Handbook, the planar information and sample locations therein in the 3.5 DMG, and a whole host of monsters are direct imports from Planescape. *shrug* You've said before that you haven't read certain books, including some that have been repeatedly referenced in this thread. And yes, I do in fact differ in some ways from a direct Planescape interpretation of the planes, perhaps that surprises you. But that doesn't entirely matter in this thread since we're not talking about house rules, be they mine or yours, but about the Tanar'ri and other Abyssal fiends as they exist and have been developed through the close to 30 years of DnD.You make it an edition war as soon as you can most of the time, because what you personally profess to like and what the game must have, you only find within one edition, and you then condemn the others as irrational and lacking in logic. You're like the Diaglo of the 1e deity stat paradigm. No offense to Diaglo who is rather cool.I'm lamenting because I'm wasting time arguing with you. Upset? You've never seen me upset. This is a message board, I don't get upset over it.I have 'insidious confederates'? Cool! That's awesome!I thought I had 'insidious confederates'. Or are they 'embittered allies'? You're taking this way too seriously UK. We're not out to get you, we're not out to oppress you, lighten up. Though admittedly I wish I had the masses of internet cronies I'm made out to have, they'd be useful.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Very obviously not. But for the purposes of this thread that you don't use it doesn't exactly matter in the slightest.</blockquote>

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