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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2701784" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey Rip! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> So are you saying she can't be one then?But the point of the matter is, people with Deities & Demigods or Manual of the Planes knew she was a deity - it made no difference whether anyone without those books knew or not. Agreed. But as you have illustrated the difference between 1st Editions various treatments was minimal. 1. Lesser Deity2. (Treated as) Lesser Deity Whereas 2nd Edition had them defined as:1. Racial Paragons2. Lesser Deities3. Quasi-deities4. Something Else (possibly akin to greater deities)These are the same beings! Yet you still advocate 2nd Edition has the best treatment of the cosmology!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Yes, but even you recognise that the differences you have stated are setting based. Whereas the differences in 2nd Edition were from generic products.A return to 1st Edition then you mean. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Demogorgon isn't going to spit in Odin's soup if he can help it. Exactly, and all are more or less equally powerful.Theres no enmity between vastly different powered beings - thats what I am trying to say.  Actually the Abyss was split into three factions. The power of the Theorpart was so great that if you didn't have one, you weren't a 'player' in the game.Its also illustrative of the Demon Princes Lesser Power being comparable to Greater power when they have the home plane advantage, because Nerull (even with a Theorpart himself) didn't risk just waltzing in to take on Graz'zt (who also had one even though the Theorparts would have cancelled each other out) and take his portion of the artifact by force.Demogorgon isn't going to be an impressive trophy for a Greater Deity.  Why not then the guardian of that particular crystal sphere then?The term Overgod probably has too much baggage for you - how about Elder One, Old One, First One, Time Lord, Proto-deity, Lady of Pain, Galactus etc.That doesn't mean to say such beings are never encountered therein. I'd like to think Nerull-Infestix was certainly one.</blockquote>

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