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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2711015" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey Rip! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The general power attributed to them is integral to the cosmology, not whether Demogorgon has 575 hit points or 576.I'd like to think I am following the spirit of the rules.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> So does that mean you agree with me?Like ruling an entire plane as opposed to a few layers.If Demogorgon gets more powerful the less layers he rules why doesn't he give away his realm in a lottery?But did you like them or not? Who only has to teleport away. You need to be extra special to drop a deity in one round. Thor could probably manage it, and some of the other heavy hitters, but not likely Heironeous. Hey - well if we have to take Manual of the Planes at face value. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Such orcs may well worship different gods, a whole different Orc Pantheon even. Does everyone use Oerth, Toril and Borka though?I suppose the above could work, perhaps even individually.Remember the goal is only to weaken Gruumsh to Lesser Power where he could be permanently killed.How...set his fortress on fire? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Regardless, Asmodeus teleports back to his throne room at the first sign of trouble, assuming he would be gullible enough to be outwitted by Hextor and not far more likely to send a messenger instead of attending personally.Exactly, you need to fight your way in, and on top of that defeat the defending deity where he is absolutely at the pinnacle of his power, resources and the attacker is at a massive tactical disadvantage.One interesting method was adopted by an NPC called Doomstar (multi-million year old super-spellcasting alien mutant) in our campaign who simply visited the court of the greater deity Anu, requested an audience with the deity and then promptly dropped him like a bag of dirt with a single (tweaked) magic missile spell...but then again he was almost on a par with an overgod. On second thoughts probably not a good yardstick.</blockquote>

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