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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2713771" data-attributes="member: 11697">*nod* I wouldn't particularly put the Paladin in Hell material as altogether beyond the scope of Asmo as presented previously. In fact I thought it was rather cool, and fitting for the Lord of the 9th there in that adventure. I was just maintaining that GtH went off from anything previous, including APiH, with its Asmo is teh RoXXor approach with the Zoarastrianism angle it pulled.Yeah, those two examples are at the top of firm examples. The only other things in the same scope that I can think of are (potentially) the Loadstones of Misery on the Gray Waste that are presumed to be the creations of one or more of the Baernaloths, and funnel away and collect the emotion, purpose, and everything else devoured and leeched away by the Gray Waste itself. Draining away and collecting the entirety of what is devoured by three infinite layers of a plane is probably fit to be included with Asmo's world in a bauble and Demogorgon's planar layer as a ship.Understandable, but I'd shy away from it on another level because Orcus is petitioner derived as opposed to being a true child of the Abyss. Of course we don't know if Demogorgon came from a petitioner or spawned directly from the Abyss itself (we know Grazzt is not petitioner derived since he was born from the Abyssal Lord Pale Night).Of course, giving an inherent power advantage to native born versus petitioner derived Tanar'ri might just be an arbitrary designation on my part, and I'm sure some will disagree with that notion. (For which I'd be curious to listen to actually) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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