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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 2713797" data-attributes="member: 38324">Orcus probably isn't as ancient as Demogorgon, but I don't think evolving from a mortal soul necessarily puts him at a disadvantage in itself. If anything mortal remained in him after millennia of becoming closer and closer to the true nature of chaotic evil and bonding with at least one (and probably up to five) layers of the Abyss, it died when he did - I don't think Tenebrous was anything but a spirit of malign chaos (at least, until his trip to Mechanus). Incidently, the layers I have listed, canonical and non-canonical, as being once controlled directly or indirectly by Orcus are:LAYER 112: STALKINGBONES (FONT OF SKELETONS) LAYER 113: THANATOS (THE BELLY OF DEATH)LAYER 114: OPEN GRAVE LAYER 334: UNNAMED (Eldanoth's realm; formally Orcus'?) LAYER 421: SALTED WOUND (Realm of the King of the Ghouls; taken by Yeenoghu)Admitting, of course, that indirectly controlling an Abyssal layer isn't the same as directly controlling it.</blockquote>