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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 2799247" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey all! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Regarding Abominations versus Demon Lords/Princes. Both are Quasi-deities in the official rules. So it basically boils down to the inherant power of the creature.However, abomination Hit Dice is representative of size to some degree and similar size abominations would seem to have more Hit Dice than the average Demon Lord/Prince.I think if we were to create a level playing field that they would all be on the same steading though. By that I mean the ELH monsters were designed specifically for epic play, whereas the Demon Lords were designed more for non-epic (or borderline epic) play.Although its interesting to note that the power increase of the 3.5 Balor has it fairly close to the power of an Infernal. Presumably that means if anything, the Demon Lords/Princes will get a slight boost when updated to 3.5...?</blockquote>