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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 3180352" data-attributes="member: 38324">I like fallen celestials too, but Hell already has one - Baalzebul, who was formally the archon Triel. Green Ronin's material made Belial and Moloch fallen celestials too, which makes sense as the three are allies. Doing that to Asmodeus, the most enigmatic and shadowy or the lords, presumedly above the native vs. fallen celestial squabble the lesser members of the Nine are obsessed with, is a step too far, in my opinion. It's fine as a rumor, but making it an objective fact, and the basis for his flavor, destroys what was interesting about the character.I haven't written the book off entirely yet, and I might well purchase it. I'm okay with retcons when I happen to like them, but the few I've seen hinted at so far (severely nerfing the Dark Eight and Asmodeus both) have really turned me off.If the lesser-known diabolic nobles are presented in such a way as to make them very interesting, that could make up for the nerfing of Asmodeus and the Eight (who I can always return to their previous glory myself).I do like how the Blood War was handled in the excerpt in general. It seems to be better than, yet complementary to, the section on the war in Fiendish Codex I. I like that they made it a very big deal, stressed that the nobles are mostly above it, and still tied it firmly into the still-ongoing greater conflict between Chaos and Law. FC1, in contrast, nerfed both the Blood War and the modern Law-Chaos conflict.</blockquote>

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