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<blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 3194618" data-attributes="member: 38324">Yes, they are. Grenpoli is the City of Diplomacy, and Offalion sounds like the City of Man. So it has a name, now; that's cool.I'm completely convinced you have the book, by the way. Oh, but each of them has a different task? Baalzephon is in charge of supply, and Dagos in the marshal of the hosts, and Furcas is in charge of mortal affairs? I actually think Gods Street is a pretty awesome idea. I'm glad they're making use of the paeliryon. The nupperibos are handled correctly, minus the connection to the ancient Baatorians.The bizarre living fortress they've made of the Hag is pretty cool, too.&nbsp; I didn't really like the idea of a night hag ruling a layer of Baator, but I love the idea of a surrealistic castle made from the still-living body of a night hag. And she can still be tied to the altraloths, as Shemmy suggested. And Lilith is still in the Hells, so really nothing is lost. Making Glasya a Lord of the Nine is better than Guide to Hell making her the ruler of the erinyes (they don't need another ruler).I'm satisfied.Not mentioning the ancient Baatorians at all (except for the ambiguous mention of Kintyre) is an opportunity wasted. DMs can't decide how to use them in their campaign if they've never heard of them at all. Because the &quot;angels&quot; the baatezu are descended from are not, and apparently never were good, and apparently even precede the forces of Good and Evil, I'm okay with it. They're not &quot;aasimon&quot; - angels in the Monster Manual sense - but something much older, something like the angels <a href="http://www.mimir.net/musee/angels.html" target="_blank">in this myth</a>:When Fiendish Codex II refers to &quot;gods,&quot; I think it's talking about extremely primal beings who helped define the planes before they had even begun to form. These are not the &quot;powers&quot; that Hellbound introduces relatively late in the timeline, but the raw progenitors of Law, the equivalents of the baernaloths (who are the progenitors of Evil). This is what the Fiendish Codex I meant, anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ripzerai, post: 3194618, member: 38324"] Yes, they are. Grenpoli is the City of Diplomacy, and Offalion sounds like the City of Man. So it has a name, now; that's cool. I'm completely convinced you have the book, by the way. Oh, but each of them has a different task? Baalzephon is in charge of supply, and Dagos in the marshal of the hosts, and Furcas is in charge of mortal affairs? I actually think Gods Street is a pretty awesome idea. I'm glad they're making use of the paeliryon. The nupperibos are handled correctly, minus the connection to the ancient Baatorians. The bizarre living fortress they've made of the Hag is pretty cool, too. I didn't really like the idea of a night hag ruling a layer of Baator, but I love the idea of a surrealistic castle made from the still-living body of a night hag. And she can still be tied to the altraloths, as Shemmy suggested. And Lilith is still in the Hells, so really nothing is lost. Making Glasya a Lord of the Nine is better than [i]Guide to Hell[/i] making her the ruler of the erinyes (they don't need another ruler). I'm satisfied. Not mentioning the ancient Baatorians at all (except for the ambiguous mention of Kintyre) is an opportunity wasted. DMs can't decide how to use them in their campaign if they've never heard of them at all. Because the "angels" the baatezu are descended from are not, and apparently never were good, and apparently even precede the forces of Good and Evil, I'm okay with it. They're not "aasimon" - angels in the Monster Manual sense - but something much older, something like the angels [url=http://www.mimir.net/musee/angels.html]in this myth[/url]: When Fiendish Codex II refers to "gods," I think it's talking about extremely primal beings who helped define the planes before they had even begun to form. These are not the "powers" that Hellbound introduces relatively late in the timeline, but the raw progenitors of Law, the equivalents of the baernaloths (who are the progenitors of Evil). This is what the Fiendish Codex I meant, anyway. [/QUOTE]

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